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She was a Geordie

  1. Jul 4, 2006 #1

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    But after a stroke she woke up with a jamaican accent, doctors said she has a rare case of foreign accent syndrome. :surprised

    In 1999 an american woman Tiffany Roberts was left with a mix of cockney and west country burr after a stroke.
     
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    When I have my stroke, I want to talk in Jive and Ebonics.
     
  4. Jul 4, 2006 #3
    Here is a link http://www.neuroanatomy.wisc.edu/selflearn/Britishaccent.htm" [Broken].

    A quote:

    There is a simple explanation for all this. Her speech was impared and people thought she spoke with a foreign acccent.

    Also the article states:
    Which is of course complete baloney, I do not believe a word about it.
    It may sound a bit like it but this is "National Enquirer" level of reporting.
    And that from the BBC News. :bugeye:
     
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  5. Jul 4, 2006 #4

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    You can giggle all you want, but I've heard of this syndrome before, going back at least a couple of decades. There's even been speculation that such was the basis for the old Jesus-freak types claiming that people spoke 'in tongues'. Supposedly, it's a weird form of Wernicke's aphasia. I'm afraid that I have no idea where to find the references. Given my educational background, it was probably in SciAm.
     
  6. Jul 4, 2006 #5

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    MeJennifer is correct, they aren't actually speaking with any certain accent, their speech is affected and people "thinks it sounds like" such and such. After my dad's stroke he sounded like Mickey Mouse. It was horrible.

    We've discussed this in another thread. People aren't actually suddenly knowing and speaking in other accents, it's just what is perceived by the listener.
     
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  7. Jul 4, 2006 #6

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    Was that what made you such a Disney fan? :confused:
     
  8. Jul 4, 2006 #7

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    http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/voice/aphasia.htm [Broken]
    "You know that smoodle pinkered and that I want to get him round and take care of him like you want before"
    Okay, to me that sounds incredibly British-slangy. If Wol wrote that I wouldn't bat an eye. :biggrin:
     
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  9. Jul 4, 2006 #8

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    I was just going to say "that's Wolram"!!!! :biggrin:
     
  10. Jul 4, 2006 #9
    I can imagine that, seeing that happen to a person you know your whole life.
     
  11. Jul 5, 2006 #10

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    Me geliefan mine feond astandan :tongue 2 :
     
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  12. Jul 5, 2006 #11

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    Hang on did i just say cobblers or rowlocks :confused:
     
  13. Jul 5, 2006 #12

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    Oh, give it up, Wol! You're just trying to buy a ticket into our labs to be probed and prodded by hot, nubile UCLA grad students.
     
  14. Jul 5, 2006 #13

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    Fight or flight, i am just so torn, sod it, i lay down my arms.:!!)
     
  15. Jul 5, 2006 #14

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    Fine. I'll tell them to be gentle with you. :smile:
     
  16. Jul 7, 2006 #15

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    Okay, i'll bite, what's a Geordie?

    First time i heard the term, was in a Mark Knopfler lyric in Sailing To Philadelphia

    I am Jeremiah Dixon, I am a Geordie boy..
    Does it have to do with a King George?

    There are other unique references in there too such as:

    This Baker's Boy From The West Country and
    A World Away From The Coaly Tyne

    though I have no idea what he is referencing..:confused:
     
  17. Jul 8, 2006 #16
    :rolleyes:
     
  18. Jul 8, 2006 #17
    Ever hear Ed Witten speak? He too sounds very much like Mickey Mouse. It's quite a mismatched voice for him, he's a rather tall and imposing figure. In his case it's his natural accent, I believe.

    Good thing these posts are anonymous...
     
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    :rolleyes: to your :rolleyes:
     
  20. Jul 8, 2006 #19

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    I be a geordie! Geordie is a term for people born in newcastle and comes from the George Stephenson mining safety lamp which was used extensively by people from Newcastle who were mainly coal miners in the 18th century.

    Here is the wiki entry.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie

    The original derivation of the term on the wiki page being related to King George is not a widely held view here in Newcastle. Anyway Geordie's are distinguishable by their dialect and I found an amusing page to convert english to geordie.

    http://www.geordie.org.uk/
     
  21. Jul 9, 2006 #20

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    Very good Kurdt, you be a Geordie ay? Pleased to meet you!!
    Thanks for those references. I learned something new today. The Newcastle dialect appears quite interesting.

    Perhaps the lyric "A World Away From The Coaly Tyne" ties in with the same coal mining industry in the 1700s.
     
  22. Jul 9, 2006 #21

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    Yes, but it's not like Mickey Mouse, it's just very soft and feminine. I was really surprised the first time I heard him speak.
     
  23. Jul 10, 2006 #22
    We did discuss this in another thread and the issue of whether or not people are speaking in another accent or with an impairment of their original accent remains debated.

    I'm an American but can affect a resonably convincing British accent. The question is: when I do this am I utilizing different neurons than usual, or using fewer of the same neurons? I believe these kinds of strokes are forcing these people to utilize neurons they don't normally employ for vocal control by destroying the ones they normally use.

    In other words, there are probably many more neurons dedicated to various kinds of vocal production than any given accent takes full advantage of. When some of these are destroyed in a stroke, these people are left with neurons that will operate the vocal mechanisms, but not in the same way as before. In the case of Evo's father this would mean that all but the neurons for control of high pitch were destroyed; ones he always had but never normally used.

    So, the question is really whether a Frenchman or Swede, or whatever is utilizing a different batch of dedicated neurons than an American when they speak.
     
  24. Jul 10, 2006 #23

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    If you look at some of the geordie dialect in the links and try and speak it you'll find that with aspeech impediment its not to hard to come up sounding jamaican.
     
  25. Jul 10, 2006 #24
    But, as Danger pointed out, all kinds of accents result from this kind of stroke. I've read accounts of people sounding British, French, and Swedish after a stroke like this.
     
  26. Jul 10, 2006 #25

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    Ahh good point. WEll at least some can be explained by sounding like the accent in the first place I suppose.
     
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