How Does Initial Velocity Affect SHM Equation for a Mass-Spring System?

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In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a horizontal massless spring attached to an immovable wall and a 0.45kg mass undergoing simple harmonic motion. The equation for the displacement of the mass as a function of time is deduced and shown to comply with the general form of SHM. The conversation also includes a clarification on why x=x_0cos\omega t was chosen instead of x=x_0sin\omega t and a discussion on how to arrive at the equation for the force acting on the spring.
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Homework Statement



A horizontal massless spring of spring constant k is attached to a immovable wall at one end and a mass of 0.45kg at the other end. The spring which was not originally under tension, is now extended by 0.18 m by pulling the mass horizontally. The mass was then released by giving it an instantantaneous push in the direction of the extension such that it had an initial velocity of 0.5 ms-1. The mass then undergoes firctionless simple harmonic motion (SHM) at [tex]\omega[/tex] = 2.2 rad s-1. With an explanation of your reasoning:

(i) deduce the equation for the displacement of the mass as a function of time, (2)

(ii) show that your equation complies with the general form of SHM

x(t) = Acos([tex]\omega[/tex]ot + [tex]\phi[/tex]) (2)
 
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woah why did this get moved? lol this is 2nd year physics :p and i saw a fellow forum user ask about a 1st year physics question in the advance section. no fair ;[
 
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For SHM you can either have x=x0sinwt or x=x0coswt

So why did you pick [itex]x=x_0cos\omega t[/itex] instead of [itex]x=x_0sin\omega t[/itex] ?
 
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rock.freak667 said:
For SHM you can either have x=x0sinwt or x=x0coswt

So why did you pick [itex]x=x_0cos\omega t[/itex] instead of [itex]x=x_0sin\omega t[/itex] ?

I did not pick it that is the second part of the question -.-
 
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lol physics said:
I did not pick it that is the second part of the question -.-

then what exactly did you try in this question? (I ask because you did not post any attempt)
 
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this is not a homework question it is a past exam question and i don't know where to begin. :S
 
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lol physics said:
this is not a homework question it is a past exam question and i don't know where to begin. :S

Well what is the force acting on the spring with extension x? When you get that recall that F=ma and a=d2x/dt2
 
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rock.freak667 said:
Well what is the force acting on the spring with extension x? When you get that recall that F=ma and a=d2x/dt2

force acting on a spring is f = -kx and [tex]\ddot{}x[/tex] = [tex]\omega[/tex]o2x

i know how to arrive to that equation f = - kx but also f = ma therefore ma = -kx re arrange and you get [tex]\ddot{}x[/tex] = [tex]\omega[/tex]o2x
 
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If ma=-kx, then ma+kx=0 and
[tex]
\ddot{}x+\omega^2x=0
[/tex]

So you were off by a negative sign.

Now show that this equation satisfies this condition:

x(t) = Acos([tex]\omega[/tex]ot + [tex]\phi[/tex])

In other words, show that the second time derivative of x(t) is indeed equal to [tex]
-\omega^2x
[/tex]

That would show x(t) = Acos([tex]\omega[/tex]ot + [tex]\phi[/tex]) is a solution to the differential equation and therefore describes simple harmonic motion.
 
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ideasrule said:
If ma=-kx, then ma+kx=0 and
[tex]
\ddot{}x+\omega^2x=0
[/tex]

So you were off by a negative sign.

Now show that this equation satisfies this condition:

x(t) = Acos([tex]\omega[/tex]ot + [tex]\phi[/tex])

In other words, show that the second time derivative of x(t) is indeed equal to [tex]
-\omega^2x
[/tex]

That would show x(t) = Acos([tex]\omega[/tex]ot + [tex]\phi[/tex]) is a solution to the differential equation and therefore describes simple harmonic motion.



the original question asked for an equation as a function of time,
[tex]

\ddot{}x+\omega^2x=0

[/tex]

there is no time in that equation o_O
 
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lol physics said:
the original question asked for an equation as a function of time,
[tex]

\ddot{}x+\omega^2x=0

[/tex]

there is no time in that equation o_O

Yes there is...[tex]x\ddot{}[/tex] is the second derivative of x wrt time
 
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Fightfish said:
Yes there is...[tex]x\ddot{}[/tex] is the second derivative of x wrt time

oh yeah there is
 

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