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News Shock and Awe, huh?

  1. Mar 21, 2003 #1
    Shock and Awe tactics, huh? Gosh, they certainly love the slogans over there. What that means in non-sloganeering English is: we've flattened half of Baghdad to "liberate" them. See the book if you wish.

    http://www.dodccrp.org/shockIndex.html [Broken]
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  3. Mar 22, 2003 #2
    Some theory

    Well there is some theory on this type of warfare.

    The latest contribution to that after Sun Tzu, Yomini, Von Clausewitz, Fuller, etc are from John Boyd and John Warden III, both former pilots in the USAF.

    John Warden's five rings hypothesis in a http://www.russfound.org/Enet/enemy_system.htm [Broken]
    and John Boyd's http://www.fastcompany.com/online/59/pilot.html [Broken]

    Perhaps you recognise that the operation is orchestrated exactly with using those ideas
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  4. Mar 22, 2003 #3


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    Fortunately the anti-war crowd never resort to catchy one-line slogans in lieu of debate.:wink:

  5. Mar 22, 2003 #4
    Adam we destroyed his palace his military sites his chemical weapons sites his anti air sites. "We" by the way includes your country so I don't think you should say anything. In case you were mis-informed, Australia is in hte Coalition against iraq. By the way if half of bagdad was flattened it is because the whole city is covered in military sites and memorials to saddam (that he orddered made)

    And by the way if you payed attention you would see very few Iraqi's like saddam yesterday hundreds of troops surrenedered. Today thousands did.
  6. Mar 22, 2003 #5

    Bollocks. Saddam has no chemical weapons. If he did, they would have been on the missiles he launched. But they were merely high explosive warheads. And no, half of Baghdad is NOT all palaces and chemical weapons factories that somehow mysteriously remained unnoticed right under the noses of UN inspectors for ten years.
  7. Mar 22, 2003 #6

    Ha. "merely high explosive warheads." do you know how horrible that sounds. No let me correct that. How horrible that IS?! And there have been several missles saddam launched at Kuwait(another group/ country that is being harmed by that pitiful dictator saddam)

    And for your information this is the first time IN TEN YEARS that inspectors were allowed IN Iraq! so they were only hidden for the two months that inspectors were there. And there were implications they were hidden in underground places or under homes and maasques that inspectors don't have access too.
  8. Mar 22, 2003 #7


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    all day friday on the major corporate media news stations, i heard the term "shock and awe"...i got the feeling that they wanted to be responble for setting a theme of the destruction done...personally i feel corporate media is ridiculous...
  9. Mar 22, 2003 #8
    it would have been nice if more people understood that Kerrie.
  10. Mar 23, 2003 #9
    As far as I'm concerned if Saddam's face & voice is still coming across Iraqi TV and radio, then they definitely were not shocked and awed enough!
  11. Mar 23, 2003 #10

    Saddam does have chemical weapons!!! Found them today in special chemical factories and sites. They also captured one of the generals in charge of the facility. And By the way. Those high explosive warhead missles you said he launched? You forgot to mention that they were all missles HE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
  12. Mar 23, 2003 #11
    Good point Nicool. I wish the Saddam sympathizers would get their head out of the sand.
    The problem with hiding their head in the sand is that it exposes one's ass high above one's head.

    I'm sure the chemical weapons that are found will have an inscription on them saying something like: "Made in France" .

    So maybe we ought to 'return' them to their rightful owner; ha, ha. I suggest we bring them to the UN building and place them on desk of the French UN Ambasssdor, you know, the one who said 'we have NO evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction'. Watching him scramble for the nearest emergency exit would make the entire war worth the effort.

  13. Mar 23, 2003 #12
    You need lessons in rational discussion.

    If someone presents a fact, you can not dimiss the fact by saying "well, he likes chicken curry, therefore he's wrong". In other wrds, even if I was a "Saddam Sympathiser" as you say, that alone would not negate facts.

    PS: I am not a "Saddam sympathiser". That's just stupid.
  14. Mar 23, 2003 #13
    The attacks on Baghdad has actually seemed surprisingly careful to me. Even the Iraqi government isn't reporting more than 3 or 4 civilian casualties in the city so far.
  15. Mar 23, 2003 #14

    you are obviously a supporter of evil in general, I'll bet you worship satan himself!

  16. Mar 23, 2003 #15
    You need a lesson in rational intelligence, Adam.

    When someone presents a fact you OUGHT to be able to recognze it rather than CONTINUING to hide your head in the sand.

    One more time and maybe you will get it>>>MAYBE

    Fact: Chemical weapons HAVE BEEN FOUND .

    If you continue to bury your head in the sand we can only conclude yes, you ARE a die hard Saddam sympathizer.

    We can only conclude you are sympathizing with a mass murderer, whose sons rape women AND MEN. Maybe that appeals to YOU, but we find it abhorent.
    Its amazing that you want to appease these type of people.
    Nevertheless, rest assured WE won't - In spite of your criticism and lack of courage WE WILL continue to stand against these devils.

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  17. Mar 23, 2003 #16
    i havent heard that yet, do you have link?
  18. Mar 23, 2003 #17

    Please show me the evidence that chemical weapons have been found.
  19. Mar 24, 2003 #18


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    You may be jumping the gun here a little. A chemical weapons PLANT has been found. Its not yet clear if there are actual wepons in there though. Semantics in any case.
  20. Mar 24, 2003 #19
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    Hmmmm...we have more high explosives, that makes us worse, right? At what point do you tell a contry that it cannot have any capacity to defend itself?

    Untrue. The inspectors were pulled out in 1998 so that America could resume bombings.
  21. Mar 24, 2003 #20
    actcualy a chemical plant has been found, if you automaticly consider a chemical plant one for chemical weapons then we really need to clean up this country first. :wink:
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