Arguments for and against?
How is any of this a good thing?mattmns said:On a side note, the one great thing about bush being president is that we will hopefully see some history made. If we continue to fight we will probably need to enlist a draft, and with women being allowed to fight, they will ultimately have to be drafted too. Also, gay rights will hopefully be banned in the US, and I certainly hope we get a full abortion birth ban. And like you said, with bush being president, gold rises, canadian dollar rises, this should make most of the world happy with us thats enough of my nonsensical rambling
Smurf said:How is any of this a good thing?
P.S. Refer to song "History is made by stupid people" by Arrogant Worms
90%??!! Any reason why you think this is necessary?Gonzolo said:I think the President of a country should be born in that country, and that he should have lived most of his life (say like >90%) in that country. I don't mind Arnold, but he should stay in California. He represents an important local industry. It has nothing to do with racism. Any colored people can be president as long as he is born in the country. Someone from elsewhere could conceptually turn back and favor his origins.
I am guessing this is addressed to me? No reason to get into that here, just a personal belief.Why ban abortions? =\
Humans are made out of particles just like everything else, eh?
HE!? :tongue2:Any colored people can be president as long as he is born in the country. Someone from elsewhere could conceptually turn back and favor his origins.
I allow time for studies and work experience abroad (It's good to travel.) I think it is necessary because, let's take the Arnold case, were he president, he could do things that would favor Austria, where his family may be, over the US (not that Arnold himself would). A candidate could believe that he is indebted to the country in which he was born and raised. Were he from Russia instead, this might have odd consequences, as the US and Russia do have a few conflicts of interest (such as Ukraine apparently). Were he German, there is the war in Iraq. A President's patriotism must be 100% unquestionable by the people (Arnold's visit to Austria as Governor was closely covered by the media). And voters like to elect someone who has lived as they have, and that they can relate to. And it's also a delicate thing to alter a constitution.Smurf said:90%??!! Any reason why you think this is necessary?
Along with the same lines ... I'd say anyone can make really stupid decisions, irrespective where they come from. The only criteria for being the prez of US at current is that you're born in the US ... to me that doesn't tell much about the qualifications of a person in doing the job (which is unfortunate thinking about Arnie).Why does it matter where you're born. Right now, the U.S has a 'nukular' speaking, hick as a president. A penguin can do a better job. Do you know why terrorists arn't attacking right now? It's perhaps Bush is killing the U.S by being in power. At least a penguin wouldn't attack other countries.
So if you're "in debt" to, say, the oil industry that is a better thing (as an example)? Patriotism is not a guarantee of any sort of success, many, I for one, would say the opposite.he could do things that would favor Austria, where his family may be, over the US (not that Arnold himself would). A candidate could believe that he is indebted to the country in which he was born and raised.
Can't say that I am. And considering the argument, don't even (bother to) see the relevance.Unbelievable. Are you looking forward to the Saddam Osama ticket?
Don't you think that is kind of given ? We of course feel a connection to where we "hang around", we have all sorts of connections which affect our decision making and perceptions on things. No one is unbiased or anything related, so why bother trying to set any criterion for it, since it is obviously going to fail in the end (citizenship ougth to display the needed "qualifications")?No.There is always a certain bedrock loyalty to the land of one's birth. Regardless of an affection that one may feel towards an area, birth rights, and birth connection, space time connection, give a certain loyalty, that is innate. It is one thing to seek opportunity and freedom here, but the highest political ambition will belong only to the children of the emigrants.
true, irrelevant because it is improbable but not impossible in principle.PerennialII said:Can't say that I am. And considering the argument, don't even (bother to) see the relevance.
Well, I wouldn't place this as a top national security risk. Is starting to sound like a principle rather than anything else.true, irrelevant because it is improbable but not impossible in principle.
The point is that it is a strategic vulnerability to have open a very sensitive position to outside influence. Keep in mind that the Islamo-fascists that we have enraged are the most deadly terrorists on Earth, willing to plan and wait for years to strike.