Since its president's day

[Benzoate]

Via http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol16/issue9/pols.paul.side.html":

(That would be the same http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jordan" [Broken], the black Barbara Jordan, who had the temerity and uppityness to read out indictments against Richard Nixon on the floor of the Congress in the 70's.)

To quote http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129" [Broken] from this January, admittedly a liberal magazine:

These newsletters didn't have any author listed at the time they were published, so of course Paul says that he didn't write them himself. I guess he just allowed things like this to get published in his name, repeatedly, over the course of decades.

And this is only from what people in the press have been able to recover. Paul claims that he's lost all the copies of the other issues of the Reports.

And I wouldn't expect you to vote for Obama just because you're black, Benzoate. I've voted for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes" [Broken] in the past, a Republican. (Though I'm not black myself, I'm just saying that I don't automatically expect blacks to be Democrats.)

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Just because he supports affirmative action doesn't make him anti-black. I don't support affirmative action because it is very condescending towards blacks , hispanics , native americans and women; and it excludes asians. And those articles you quote are just smear campaigns. Did even bother to look up the fact that Ron paul has the highest percentages of black votes among the republicans? Bill clinton actually supported a bill that would not end the prison discrepancies between crack users and cocaine user: (i.e. crack users receiving harsher drug penalties than cocaine users) I high proportion of minorities use crack and a high proportion of whites use cocaine. Blacks get 10 years for using crack. Whites get a year for using cocaine. Ron paul acknowledges the prison discrepancies. Until I hear , with my own ears , say racist remarks , then I would call him a racist. BTW, don't newspapers usually record conversations and then put there quotes in a newspaper? If they are so sure that ron paul really made the racists remarks, then why not just play ron paul saying those racist remarks?

Not to mentioned that Ron paul is the only republican who accepted an invitation from tavis smiley to attend a debate on so called 'black issues'

 

[CaptainQuasar]

I don't understand much of your response there, Benzoate. I didn't say anything about his stance on affirmative action. (And anyways - supporting affirmative action would not make him anti-black.)

And I'm not saying that he just made racist remarks out loud. I'm saying he printed racist remarks in a publication with his name on it, without at the time giving the name of anyone else who might've written them.

Those articles I linked to are not “just smear campaigns”, they are entirely factual and as far as I know not disputed by the Ron Paul presidential campaign. Ron Paul does not deny that exactly those words were printed in the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Freedom Report and the other newsletters, he claims that someone else wrote them and that even though he disagrees with them now and disagreed with them at the time, they somehow got into a newsletter with his name at the top of every page.

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[Benzoate]

I don't understand much of your response there, Benzoate. I didn't say anything about his stance on affirmative action. (And anyways - supporting affirmative action would not make him anti-black.)

And I'm not saying that he just made racist remarks out loud. I'm saying he printed racist remarks in a publication with his name on it, without at the time giving the name of anyone else who might've written them.

Those articles I linked to are not “just smear campaigns”, they are entirely factual and as far as I know not disputed by the Ron Paul presidential campaign. Ron Paul does not deny that exactly those words were printed in the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Freedom Report and the other newsletters, he claims that someone else wrote them and that even though he disagrees with them now and disagreed with them at the time, they somehow got into a newsletter with his name at the top of every page.

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Sorry I thought you said Ron paul was anti-affirmaitve action. My apologies

Like I said before, If doctor paul were truly a racist, he wouldn't have accepted the invitation to the debate at howard university from Tavis Smiley. Nor would he be the republican who has the highest number of votes among black people. Black people are working on Doctor's paul campaign as well. You cannot read everything in print written about someone and accepted as true. Doctor Paul has said many times that those articles written about him are not true. And I believe him . As I said before, if he were a racist , then he would not acknowledge the difference in prison sentencing for crack users and cocaine users.

CaptainQuasor, why do you have a beef with me? You say everything I post was written by crackpots and You haven't even bother to look up my sources nor observed the research methods of the authors I've listed.

 

[Benzoate]

I don't understand much of your response there, Benzoate. I didn't say anything about his stance on affirmative action. (And anyways - supporting affirmative action would not make him anti-black.)

you are twisting my words around. I never said that ron paul is anti-black if he doesn't support affirmative action. I said many so called 'black leaders' and other vermin in the media would label anyone who does not support affirmative action as anti-black.

 

[CaptainQuasar]

CaptainQuasor, why do you have a beef with me? You say everything I post was written by crackpots and You haven't even bother to look up my sources nor observed the research methods of the authors I've listed.

Yes, I do have a beef with you, because you have claimed that Abraham Lincoln was Saddam Hussein and he ordered the slaughter of innocent civilians and ordered the pillaging of Southern towns. Do you really not understand why someone would object to you saying that?

The reason I put up those Ron Paul quotes is to show you that when someone demands citiations, it really is possible to go and get something that actually proves what was said. You asked for something that showed Ron Paul making racist remarks and I went and got you exactly that, published by mainstream news organizations.

I have not said “everything you post was written by crackpots.” At the very beginning I pointed out that one author you mentioned is someone who wants to re-establish the Confederacy. But you ignored that and seemed to be hoping that it would just go away. All you had to say was “Yes, that guy is definitely a biased source, I'm sorry. I should acknowledge his connection to the League of the South when I post things based on what he says.”

And you still haven't provided any proof about these orders you claim Lincoln gave. I know that lots of people died during the Civil War; the stuff you're saying in response doesn't answer my questions. I'm not going to go and read every book you mention just because you feel like you don't even have to tell us when he actually ordered the slaughter of innocent civilians.

If you were wrong about that just say “I'm sorry, I misspoke. He didn't order the slaughter of civilians, I'm just saying that lots of people died from the orders he gave.” That's all you have to do. (Though of course, I would point out that you should then consider anyone who has given orders in any war to be the same as Saddam Hussein.)

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This thread has outlived it's usefulness. Thanks CQ for your work in this thread.