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Slope Friction Problem

  1. Oct 18, 2006 #1
    a 2.0 kg brick rides on a 20kg sled and is dragged upa22 degree slope by a rope witha tension of 1000 N. Theropeis parallel totheslope. The friction coefficient(both static and kinetic) between the brick and sled is 0.30 and between the sled and the ground is 0.15. Predict each mass's acceleration. I got 0.8 m/s/s for thebrick which i'm sure is right, and for the sled sled I got 40 m/s but the teacher says it is 45 m/s/s.

    Teacher's method:
    1000-20(9.8)sin22-0.15(22)(9.8)sin22-5.4=20a
    a=45.5m/s/s

    My method:
    1000-81-30-5.4=22a
    a=40m/s/s
     
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  3. Oct 18, 2006 #2

    Doc Al

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    Since you realize that the brick and sled do not accelerate together, why do you use the total mass in your equation?

    (FYI: Getting useful help will be easier if you post your work using symbols, not just numbers.)
     
  4. Oct 18, 2006 #3
    well doesn't the brick on top add to the force of gravity, which in turn would increase the force of friction and the other force which directs down the slope?
     
  5. Oct 18, 2006 #4

    OlderDan

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    You need to look at the sled and the brick separately and consider all the forces acting on each object. Draw a free body diagram for each of them. Correct the things highlighted by Doc Al

    In your last equation, the mass that multiplies a is just the mass of the sled, not the mass of sled plus brick. In your "81" you have included a force that is acting only on the brick as if it were acting on the sled.

    The teacher's method is correct, but the numerical value seems a bit off.

    I'd like to see how you calculated the 0.8m/s^2 acceleration of the brick. It would be interesting to calculate the total force acting on the brick if the sled were not moving.
     
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  6. Oct 19, 2006 #5
    For the brick: 0.30(19.6)cos22-19.6sin22=2a
     
  7. Oct 19, 2006 #6

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    Looks good. How did you get 0.8 m/s^2 from that?
     
  8. Oct 19, 2006 #7
    where does the 5.4 come from?
     
  9. Oct 20, 2006 #8
    from 0.30(19.6)cos22 which is friction
     
  10. Oct 20, 2006 #9
    shouldn't it be this for the sled:

    1000-20(9.8)sin22-0.15(22)(9.8)cos22-5.4=20a
    a=52.6m/s/s?
    So the teacher is wrong?
     
  11. Oct 20, 2006 #10

    Doc Al

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    This looks right.
    Check your arithmetic.
     
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