Flow Dynamics of Sluice Gates & Groynes

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In summary, the author is trying to come up with a way to control the effect of 'longshore drift' on the sand on a beach. They are thinking of a system that would be hybrid, with variable control.
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How can someone relate between both the flow under a sluice gate and flow past a groyne at the seaside with the free surface topic?
 
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math04 said:
How can someone relate between both the flow under a sluice gate and flow past a groyne at the seaside with the free surface topic?
What research have you do so far to try and come to an answer ?
 
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I am with problems of free surfaces.
 
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I can't help thinking of this thread title as the possible name for a firm of lawyers. (Along with 'Gray and Balding' and 'Sue Grabbit and Run')
 
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I can't help thinking of this thread title as the possible name for a firm of lawyers. (Along with 'Gray and Balding' and 'Sue Grabbit and Run')
My question is very simple: what is the relation between both of groyne and sluice gate with the free surface topic.
 
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My question is very simple: what is the relation between both of groyne and sluice gate with the free surface topic.
As you want us to be sensible, perhaps you could give some context to this and one or two references. I think you may find that groyne specialists are rare on PF.
 
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How can someone relate between both the flow under a sluice gate and flow past a groyne at the seaside with the free surface topic?
since sluice gates ... not typically used on sea sides and
groynes ... used on seasides ( coastlines)

are two very different things with different uses. Please tell us what you really want to discuss
and why the masses of info available online doesn't help you understand the different uses
and locations that they are used in.

Also, what do YOU mean by "free surface topic" ?

the more info you give us, explaining exactly what you don't understand, helps us to better help you

Dave
 
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since sluice gates ... not typically used on sea sides and
groynes ... used on seasides ( coastlines)

are two very different things with different uses.
I was trying to visualise a system which would give variable control to the effect of 'longshore drift' on the sand on holiday beaches. I imagine sitting on the beach and watching a version of this hybrid system, wondering how it works.
 
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I remember being very surprised by the quantity of baffles etc inside a 'fuel barge'.
Was merrily drafting a tale, set high on an African river, which had two such barges, previously stranded, salvaged and re-purposed as 'Clubship Landfill', used to evacuate people from a town cut-off by insurgents.
Getting into the detail, what looked a couple of boring TEU shipping containers actually held a remarkably intricate set of partitions, sluice gates and slosh dampers. To suppress / mitigate 'Free Surface' instability with a part-load, of course, of course.
{ Face Palm...}
This changed the paradigm. By the time I'd researched and figured the now-complex access issues, my Muse had moved on...
:-(

The OP has been a bit coy, but I wonder if this query has to do with along-shore beach drift choking river and stream mouths ?? IIRC, several Medieval UK East Coast port-towns lost their fishing and shipping access when sand banks shifted. Some were gradual, due eg cyclic sand-spit in 'growing' phase. Others were storm driven, the town's river briefly dammed, forced to a new course overnight. Either way, 'game over', former prosperity and influence consigned to history...

Groynes are usually seen as 'passive' measures. But, if shutters / sluice gates were added, raised and lowered according to weather and tidal flow, the combination might be able to reduce sediment deposition in an essential channel, then scour it clear. Perhaps with help from fresh-water ponded behind river's sluice gates ?

( Ponding fresh water thus may also mitigate saline incursions, win, win, win... )

I know some ports installed 'block ships' to regulate along-shore drift, and others built estuarine 'training walls', like a submerged break-water, to stabilise the shipping channel...

A 'mini-me' version could prove a life-line to a small, coastal community so reliant on its small river.
YMMV.
 
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1. How do sluice gates and groynes affect the flow dynamics of a river or canal?

Sluice gates and groynes are hydraulic structures that are used to control the flow of water in rivers and canals. Sluice gates are typically used to regulate the water level and flow rate, while groynes are used to redirect the flow and prevent erosion. Together, these structures can significantly alter the flow dynamics of a waterway.

2. What factors influence the design of sluice gates and groynes?

The design of sluice gates and groynes is influenced by several factors, including the flow rate and velocity of the water, the sediment load, the topography of the surrounding area, and the desired flow pattern. Other considerations may include the type of material used, the cost of construction, and the potential impact on the surrounding environment.

3. How do sluice gates and groynes impact the sediment transport in a river or canal?

Sluice gates and groynes can significantly affect the sediment transport in a waterway. Sluice gates can trap sediment and cause it to accumulate, while groynes can redirect the flow and change the direction of sediment transport. This can have a significant impact on the overall morphology of the river or canal, as well as the stability of the surrounding banks and bed.

4. What are some potential drawbacks of using sluice gates and groynes?

While sluice gates and groynes can be effective in controlling flow and preventing erosion, there are some potential drawbacks to consider. These structures can be expensive to construct and maintain, and they may also have a negative impact on the surrounding ecosystem. In some cases, they may also impede the movement of aquatic species and disrupt the natural flow of sediment and nutrients.

5. How can the flow dynamics of sluice gates and groynes be studied and predicted?

The flow dynamics of sluice gates and groynes can be studied and predicted using a combination of experimental and numerical methods. Physical models can be used to simulate the behavior of water and sediment in a controlled environment, while computational models can be used to analyze and predict the flow patterns and sediment transport in a river or canal. These methods can help engineers and scientists design more effective and sustainable hydraulic structures.

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