Proving Non-Existence of Solutions to a Small Number Theory Problem

In summary: I mean, not obvious to most of us, non-experts.In summary, the conversation discusses the process of solving a math problem using LaTeX and proper mathematical notation. The problem is to prove that there are no positive integers x and y that satisfy the equation x + y + xy = 36. The conversation includes a proposed solution and a discussion on how to finish the proof, including the use of symbols to represent contradiction. The conversation also mentions the use of quoting to see LaTeX code in a post.
  • #1
mafagafo
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Homework Statement


This is a problem I had as a margin note in an old notebook that I will recycle. I want write it using LaTeX. Problem is that I also want to write it using "proper" math notation instead of English words.

Firstly, I got this:
[tex]\textrm{Proof that }\nexists x, y \in \mathbb{N}^* | x + y + xy = 36[/tex]

Which seems to be correct. (Should 'x, y' be between parentheses?)

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\begin{gather}
\begin{aligned}
x + y + xy
&= x + xy + y \\
&= (x + 1) (y + 1) - 1 \\
&\therefore (x + 1) (y + 1) = 37 \\
&\therefore x = 0 \lor y = 0
\notag
\end{aligned}
\end{gather}[/tex]

Now the question: how to finish this? Obviously x = 0 or y = 0 is false as neither x nor y can be 0 as the set of all N but 0 does not include 0. How do I write this?
 
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  • #2
That's pretty good but you need to say a bit more about what you are doing. You should, for example, write
that since 37 is a prime number either x+ 1= 1 and y+ 1= 37 or x+ 1= 37 and y+ 1= 1.

Then look at the two cases: if x+ 1= 1 then x= 0. But that is a contradiction because x must be a positive integer
If y+ 1= 1 then y= 0. But that is a contradiction because y must be a positive integer.
 
  • #3
All right, I will write more! But first you need to teach me how (or point me a not too long book / guide / tutorial).

Which symbols do I use? I remember some '#' for "absurd" or "impossible" on paper, but I have no idea on how to do it here. Neither if that was correct.
 
  • #4
mafagafo said:

Homework Statement


This is a problem I had as a margin note in an old notebook that I will recycle. I want write it using LaTeX. Problem is that I also want to write it using "proper" math notation instead of English words.

Firstly, I got this:
[tex]\textrm{Proof that }\nexists x, y \in \mathbb{N}^* | x + y + xy = 36[/tex]

Which seems to be correct. (Should 'x, y' be between parentheses?)

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\begin{gather}
\begin{aligned}
x + y + xy
&= x + xy + y \\
&= (x + 1) (y + 1) - 1 \\
&\therefore (x + 1) (y + 1) = 37 \\
&\therefore x = 0 \lor y = 0
\notag
\end{aligned}
\end{gather}[/tex]
What I would do is start by assuming that x + xy + y = 36.
Then x + xy + y + 1 - 1 = 36
##\Rightarrow## (x + 1)(y + 1) = 37
Since 37 is prime, its only factors are 1 and 37, so there's your contradiction.

As far as I can tell, there's no LaTeX symbol that specifically denotes "contradiction." Some people use # for this purpose. A symbol I've seen for a long time is two arrows with their heads touching, like this: ##\Rightarrow\Leftarrow##.
mafagafo said:
Now the question: how to finish this? Obviously x = 0 or y = 0 is false as neither x nor y can be 0 as the set of all N but 0 does not include 0. How do I write this?
 
  • #5
Mark44 said:
What I would do is start by assuming that x + xy + y = 36.
Then x + xy + y + 1 - 1 = 36
##\Rightarrow## (x + 1)(y + 1) = 37
Since 37 is prime, its only factors are 1 and 37, so there's your contradiction.

As far as I can tell, there's no LaTeX symbol that specifically denotes "contradiction." Some people use # for this purpose. A symbol I've seen for a long time is two arrows with their heads touching, like this: ##\Rightarrow\Leftarrow##.
Were you going to comment something else then changed your mind?

It follows that x = 0 or y = 0 because either x + 1 = 1 or y + 1 = 1.

Will look up that symbol you wrote.
 
  • #6
mafagafo said:
Were you going to comment something else then changed your mind?
At first I didn't understand how you arrived at x = 0 or y = 0, but saw you had explained it following your proof, so I removed my question.
mafagafo said:
It follows that x = 0 or y = 0 because either x + 1 = 1 or y + 1 = 1.

Will look up that symbol you wrote.
It's two symbols: # #\Rightarrow\Leftarrow # #
The spaces between the # characters is to keep the above from rendering...
 
  • #7
I know how to make it, I just want to look it up in a book or Wikipedia to get some usage examples.

In fact, as you may know, unless you use an image with an obscure filename*, I just need to quote you in order to see your [itex]\LaTeX[/itex] code.

* Even if it was an image, there are still ways to try to get LaTeX from it.
 
  • #9
Mark44 said:
The best thing I got from this thread. Thanks.
It makes me sad that Q.E.A. is not widely used (what inclines me towards avoiding it).
Anyway, this is a picture of what I rendered. Suggestions wanted.
upload_2014-12-8_15-21-6.png

As Mark somehow suggested, I added one not-so-obvious extra step.
 

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