Small Osc. Pendulum+Springs

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the Lagrangian of three pendulums connected by springs in terms of natural units. There is confusion about the number of normal modes and the use of natural units. The final conclusion is that the normal modes have been correctly solved for and the use of natural units is a matter of convenience.
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Homework Statement



Three pendulums hand side-by-side and have there masses connected horizontally via springs. All lengths and masses are equal. Find the Lagrangian and put it in terms of "natural units".

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]T = 1/2 m l^2 (\dot{\theta_1}^2 + \dot{\theta_2}^2 + \dot{\theta_3}^2)[/tex]

[tex]V = 1/2 k (l \theta_1 - l \theta_2)^2 + 1/2 k (l \theta_2 - l \theta_3)^2[/tex]

Using natural units [itex]q_i = \sqrt{k} x_i[/itex] and [itex]q' = dq/d\tau[/itex] where [itex]\tau=\omega t[/itex]:

[tex]L = 1/2(q^{'2}_{1} + q^{'2}_{2} + q^{'2}_{3}) - 1/2(q^2_1 + q^2_2 + q^2_3) + (q_1 q_2 + q_2 q_3 - 1/2 q^2_2)[/tex]

When I try to find the normal modes I only get 3, but since there are three degrees of freedom shouldn't there be three normal modes? I think my T or V expressions must be wrong somewhere. If they are not I can write out the matrices...

When there is no (1,3) or (3,1) entry in either the T or V matrix, i.e. this case (using natural units), will there ever be 3 modes when solving characteristic eq. for that matrix?
 
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CNX said:
When I try to find the normal modes I only get 3, but since there are three degrees of freedom shouldn't there be three normal modes?

Do you mean you only found one normal mode with [tex]\omega[/tex] = 3?

Your 3x3 matrix should have 3 eigenvalues and hence 3 normal modes, right?
 
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No I mean I get [itex]\omega^2_1 = 0,~\omega^2_2 = 3/m l^2, ~\omega^2_3 = 1/ m l^2[/itex]

From

[tex]-.375 m l^2 \omega+.500 m^2 l^4 \omega^2-.125 m^3 l^6 \omega^3=0[/tex]

I don't really get the idea of the natural units. Is it just convenience, i.e. solve the eigenvalue problem and then convert back?
 
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To be honest I've already finished this topic but I've not heard of "natural units", but if you're solving for normal modes then what you've done looks correct...you have already found the 3 normal frequencies.
 
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Thanks
 

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