# Smoking cigarettes.

Ivan Seeking
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The father of a friend from college died from throat and lung cancer; a heavy smoker. Gordon told me that just before his father died he was smoking through his tracheotomy tube.

My mother, a smoker, nursed her mother, also a smoker, through lung cancer until she died - three days after Tsu and I got married. My mother still smokes.

I would say it's tough to quit.

On the up side, we heard a report last night that coffee and cigarette use reduces the risk of getting Parkinsons disease.

amwbonfire said:
If cigarettes are so expensive, and you know that they're unhealthy, why not try nicotine patches?
You know, I have tried patches($$) but still could not make it without real thing. I have this far out theory, because nicotine stimulates nervous system and I have Epilepsy, maybe what I do is self medicating my self? Just like animals in wild when sick, to get better they eat unconciously specific plants (herbs). Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Gold Member One of Tsu's uncles swears by a smoking cessation program that he went through. Evo Mentor My mother was a three pack a day smoker when she quit cold turkey because she was concerned about the health issues. This was during WWII. I think the ability to quit depends on your desire to quit, what "type" of person you are, (some people have dependent personalities and some don't), stress in your life, it will be much harder to quit a habit if you are under stress. My personal rant - smoking in restaurants should not be permitted...period. Smoking is something that affects everyone in the surrounding area. Taste is GREATLY affected by smell. How can I taste my food if all I can smell is cigarette smoke? If a person can't control themself and not smoke for the time it takes to eat a meal, they need to be shot. Ok, I'm not serious about shooting them. My point is, they have no right to destroy the environment for the people around them for a personal vice. Last edited: Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Gold Member You should have been a Californian. I think you have to register with the local police as a PC offender if you smoke there. Gokul43201 Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Gold Member Evo said: If a person can't control themself and not smoke for the time it takes to eat a meal, they need to be shot. :rofl: :rofl: That was priceless !! :rofl: :rofl: Evo Mentor I don't mind if people smoke, as long as they understand how they affect other people. In their home, I have no say. But if I am paying for food, I have a right to taste it and not their smoke. I know smokers who are extremely considerate and realize this and act accordingly. Evo said: Ok, I'm not serious about shooting them. My point is, they have no right to destroy the environment for the people around them for a personal vice. Evo; but what you say about car fumes, I think fumes are killing many more people than smoking ever does. Evo; but what you say about car fumes, I think fumes are killing many more people than smoking ever does. Tobacco is the cause of 1 out of 5 deaths. I don't have the exact statistics, but I don't think car fumes kill more people than smoking. Also, smoking is a needless and deadly habit. Though driving can be deadly, it is certainly needed. I agree we need automobles, but not those huge vans,pick -ups or suv's. Regarding tobbaco,we can blame N.S American Indians for giving Europeans peace pipes to smoke.. Moonbear Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Gold Member Ivan Seeking said: You should have been a Californian. I think you have to register with the local police as a PC offender if you smoke there. And even after California did that, business owners in other states are still putting up a fuss about going smoke-free! Then again, I think those signs everywhere in CA telling you that something is cancer causing everywhere you go are way overboard. Anyway, businesses keep saying how they'll lose business if they have to go smoke-free. But, if it's just the law, then it's not like the smokers are going to go next door to a restaurant that does allow smoking. And, they seem to be forgetting us non-smokers who would start frequenting the place if we weren't subjected to the smoke. I really can't eat in a place where someone is smoking. Having to smell it for that long gives me a headache. I agree we need automobles, but not those huge vans,pick -ups or suv's. Vans - I guess you don't have a family, so you won't understand the need of carrying children, relatives and friends. Pick-ups - Oh, so you suggest they throw that collection of dirt and brick into that Honda Civic? SUV - Would you like them to trek mountains and rough terrain with a Toyota Camry? Be sure to tell them that if you ever need rescuing. Ivan Seeking Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Gold Member Dagenais said: Tobacco is the cause of 1 out of 5 deaths. I don't have the exact statistics, but I don't think car fumes kill more people than smoking. Also, smoking is a needless and deadly habit. Though driving can be deadly, it is certainly needed. I have heard many reports stating that breathing in polluted cities is like smoking a pack a day. I remember that when I was a kid, a large percentage of children in the San Fernando Valley of California [North Los Angeles] were found to have black lung disease. Evo Mentor tumor said: Evo; but what you say about car fumes, I think fumes are killing many more people than smoking ever does. I'm refering to "personal" environment as in trying to eat in a room full of cigarette smoke. Try eating lunch with your face next to the exhaust of a running car. :yuck: Moonbear Staff Emeritus Science Advisor Gold Member tumor said: You know, I have tried patches($$\$) but still could not make it without real thing.
I have this far out theory, because nicotine stimulates nervous system and I have Epilepsy, maybe what I do is self medicating my self?
Just like animals in wild when sick, to get better they eat unconciously specific plants (herbs).
If it was just self-medicating your epilepsy, then shouldn't the patches have done just as good of a job as smoking? Is there any evidence of nicotine reducing epilepsy symptoms?

It doesn't sound like you're really ready to quit yet, you're still making excuses for why you're smoking. When you really want to quit, only then will you have a chance of it working. I think you need to find a reason why being a non-smoker would be good rather than reasons why smoking is bad for a person to be really motivated to quit.

A buddy of mine hates cigarette smoke but sees no harn in breathing smoke from the BBQ grille. Tried to explain that just as WOOD alcohol is more dangerous than corn alcohol ...

Moonbear said:
If it was just self-medicating your epilepsy, then shouldn't the patches have done just as good of a job as smoking? Is there any evidence of nicotine reducing epilepsy symptoms?
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Dohh!
Anyway, maybe my body also needs little bit of tar,benzene,hydrogen cyanide and carbon monoxide.

tumor said:
Anyway, maybe my body also needs little bit of tar,benzene,hydrogen cyanide and carbon monoxide.
Well it didn't originally need tar, benzene, hydrogen cyanide and carbon monoxide. If you want to stop, you need to avoid smoking. I was stuck in a foreign country a while ago with no flight to get home and I felt like smoking, and I have never smoked and promised myself I never would!! And I am only 16. So the point is stay away from smoking areas as much as possible and try and stay relaxed.

I probably should have said this earlier but heck, here it is.

P.S. Benzene. I know what that is. You find it in crude oil and it is used in pesticides. Disgusting. Don't want to go to the carbon monoxide. YOu know what and where it come from.

Allright,time for cigarette break

I would recommend NRT as an alternative.

Gokul43201
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