Snell's Law problem

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Hi,
Can someone tell me how to find the incident and refractive angles when only the deviation angle is known?

For instance, I know that Snells law is n1 sin(i) = n2 sin(r)
I know that the materials are air (n1=1) and glass (n2=1.5)
And I know that the deviation angle d is 30deg.

I can summise that d = i - r
and r = arcsin( (n1/n2) x sin i )
therefore i = arcsin( (n1/n2) x sin i ) + d

How do I find i? Do I use an iterative method? How does that work?

Thanks in advance
Z
 

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You just need to use some trigonometric manipulations.
 
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Hi,
Can someone tell me how to find the incident and refractive angles when only the deviation angle is known?

For instance, I know that Snell's law is n1 sin(i) = n2 sin(r)
I know that the materials are air (n1=1) and glass (n2=1.5)
And I know that the deviation angle d is 30deg.

I can summise that d = i - r
and r = arcsin( (n1/n2) x sin i )
therefore i = arcsin( (n1/n2) x sin i ) + d

How do I find i? Do I use an iterative method? How does that work?

Thanks in advance
Z
Hello zebedi. Welcome to PF !

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You have that d = i - r .

So, i = r + d .

Use that in Snell's Law to get: n1 sin( r + d) = n2 sin(r) .

Use the angle addition identity for sine . Solve for r .
 
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You mean
sin(A+B) = sin(A)cos(B)+cos(A)sin(B) ?

Can you help out further because my maths still isn't good enough to solve it.
Thanks
 
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That is the correct equation you need to use. And you are given d, so from there it is straightforward to solve for r.
 
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BruceW wrote: "so from there it is straightforward to solve for r. "

That may be so for some, but for this ageing dunce it isn't! So if someone would be kind enough to help me out and show me how to solve it I'd be very appreciative.
 
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You have that d = i - r .

So, i = r + d .

Use that in Snell's Law to get: n1 sin( r + d) = n2 sin(r) .

Use the angle addition identity for sine .
Expand sin( r + d) and substitute into Snell's law. What do you get?


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You get

n1(sinr cosd + cos r sind) = n2 sinr

but how do I solve it when there's an r on both sides?

And unless you're actually going to show me how to solve it then please don't bother posting!
 
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I suggest you to read the rules of these Forums: We do not solve the problem instead of you. We give hint, we guide you. If you do not want that kind of help go to somewhere else.

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yes, you can do it yourself, zebedi. The next bit is to manipulate the equation, to get it to look like something you can solve for r.
 
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...

And unless you're actually going to show me how to solve it then please don't bother posting!
You might like to read the rules for posting in the Homework section of this Forum. In particular:
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This whole process has been really irritating and a complete waste of my time.

I originally posted this question on the Classical Physics Forum, but someone moved it to here. If there was never any intention of answering the problem then why didn't someone say in the first place.

I'm not a kid struggling with my homework, I'm an employee struggling with a problem and I would have appreciated some real help - just like I dish out every day on other forums.
 
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zebedi
If you go back to your last equation and divide both side by Sinr it may become easier to sort out. Hope this is enough help to get you to the next stage.
 

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