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  1. Oct 13, 2005 #1
    So let's be positive then....

    What are some of the great qualities in likely 2008 presidential candidates? No smears please. I'll start the ball rolling.

    John Edwards is working with the Poverty Center in North Carolina. The aim of this center is to "combat poverty in a way that honors American core beliefs in hard work, responsibility, and family."

    I like that he is putting his faith into action, and his money where his mouth is. It's much better than rhetoric. Way to go John!

    http://www.law.unc.edu/Centers/details.aspx?ID=425&Q=3

    From the other side of the aisle:

    John McCain. I love that he is a VietNam vet.
     
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  3. Oct 13, 2005 #2
    I know you want to be positive, but Edwards is a phony. Don't fall in for his act. He knows nothing about economics, and doesn't have the slightest clue on how to fight poverty.

    To make up for that, let me say that the Democrats have no finer figure than Bill Richardson - practical, competent, knowledgeable in both economics and foreign affairs, and hispanic :smile:
     
  4. Oct 13, 2005 #3
    No smears please.
     
  5. Oct 13, 2005 #4

    Pengwuino

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    Nicely done, 1 reply and its already off topic
     
  6. Oct 13, 2005 #5
    sorry :redface:
     
  7. Oct 14, 2005 #6

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    Giuliani - During his tenure, the city of New York went from being a crime-ridden, decaying city to a cleaned-up, business-friendly, safe place with high property values and much lowered crime rates. His handling of 9/11 was superb.
     
  8. Oct 14, 2005 #7

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    Well some positive things about Jeb Bush include.....

    uhm....

    ok give me some time guys....
     
  9. Oct 14, 2005 #8
    He's my pick for next president (with Condi as VP), but he'd have to wrestle the GOP out of the religious peoples' hands first. If he gets the nomination, he's in.
     
  10. Oct 14, 2005 #9
    Lets just go with Condi for the #1 spot.
     
  11. Oct 14, 2005 #10

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    I wanna see Rice vs. Clinton

    Man that would really screw up the whole womens rights movement. You got an entire presidential election dedicated to women, what else do you want :P
     
  12. Oct 14, 2005 #11

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    I wanna see Rice vs. Clinton

    Man that would really screw up the whole womens rights movement. You got an entire presidential election dedicated to women, what else do you want :P
     
  13. Oct 14, 2005 #12
    I think this would REALLY be an interesting election. Two educated candidates, who both has to know how low campaigns usually get and who are capable of thinking for themselves, would they have any interest in pulling up the standard?
     
  14. Oct 14, 2005 #13
    Rice? I thought we were keeping this thread positive?
     
  15. Oct 14, 2005 #14

    Pengwuino

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    no.

    There women :rolleyes:
     
  16. Oct 14, 2005 #15

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    John McCain. After the Clinton and Bush presidencies, we need a president that can actually get Republicans and Democrats working together.

    McCain and Leiberman doused Frist's and Reid's big fight over the "Nuclear/Constitutional Option". McCain was able to get the 'anti-torture' amendment added to the Defense spending bill and approved 90-6 (or somewhere thereabouts) - a pretty significant defection of Republicans away from Bush towards McCain. (Had Frist and Reid gotten their big fight, I would have rated their performance right alongside Clinton and Dole bringing the government to a halt just to set up their '96 campaigns).

    Giuliani would rank up there pretty high as well. The reputation he earned by the way he handled New York City after 9/11 would make him someone everyone could unite around as well. While I'd prefer McCain, a very moderate Republican with Giuliani's reputation might be just what the country needs to turn politics from a battleground into a functioning process.

    Among Democrats, I'd put Leiberman up there as well as one of the very few Democrats that might be able to get both Republican and Democratic support. Unfortunately, while he would probably do a good job as president, he doesn't have the charisma necessary to make being elected very likely.
     
  17. Oct 14, 2005 #16

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    Actually, if one of the Bush kids had to become president, Jeb Bush was the better choice. He at least earned the position he holds with a career a lot more complete than George's. Overall, I'd rate him as a solid, even above average governor, which would at least get him by a reality check even if his name weren't Bush.

    I wouldn't rate him a top choice, but I would have accepted him a lot easier than having the family loser put into office.
     
  18. Oct 14, 2005 #17
    Wesley Clark.
    Time was on our side, and Bush squandered it. Now we are running out of time.
     
  19. Oct 14, 2005 #18

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    Um....did you accidentally post that in the wrong thread, Skyhunter?

    Anyway, I'm a big fan of McCain because he is not afraid to stand up for what he believes regardless of which party doctrine it falls into.

    Rice impresses me, but I don't have anything specific.
     
  20. Oct 14, 2005 #19
    It was his testimony before the Iraq invasion that demonstrated to me that he understood the problem. That is why I supported him in the 2004 primary. I still believe he is the best person to lead this country.

    I like McCain, but when he supported Bush in 2004 after the way Bush/Rove smeared his family in 2000 I lost my respect for him.
     
  21. Oct 14, 2005 #20

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    We need someone with the intelligence and wisdom and I think if John Stewart ran, I'd at least listen to what his plans were.

    On the other hand I dont want any of the congressmen running for the President. The partisan candidates have got to go.
     
  22. Oct 14, 2005 #21
    For those who feel John Edwards lacks experience, Condi is even less qualified. Those who think it a good thing to have a face off between Condi and Hillary are dividers not uniters. May I suggest you watch some more professional wrestling instead? If there were any inkling of Condi running, the DNC would do well not to nominate Hillary, who is already a lightening rod.

    McCain definitely has the experience and relations in congress that Giuliani lacks. However, McCain is only a moderate in comparison to the extreme right currently in power. Giuliani is far more a moderate than McCain. I was at an event where Giuliani spoke, and if he continues to promote himself on the basis of 9-11 and his religious beliefs, he's out. I agree Lieberman lacks charisma, and perhaps could even be described as mealy mouth. There are quite a few Democrats that would be good candidates, and therefore no clear front-runner, but also a good scenario as strategy goes.

    I just hope this time debate will center on real and important issues who ever the candidates are.
     
  23. Oct 14, 2005 #22

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    I have yet to see just one semi-intelligent candidate being nominated by either parties so far. Its as if there is a hidden government within the government playing a joke on the rest of us and constantly tossing into the arena the village idiots
     
  24. Oct 14, 2005 #23
    Yes to the nods to Clark above. I backed him in the primaries as well, not because of his military record but because he had a different vision for America and it was a breath of fresh air. He talked about greater funding for the ... Endowment for the Arts? and to hear a politician promote the good and beautiful aspects of people, instead of promoting defense and economics, was like a light going on.

    Our government *could* invest more in the good qualities of humanity. That would be great.
     
  25. Oct 17, 2005 #24
    I was stellarly impressed by the way Clark handled all the various factions as Supreme Commander of NATO during the Balkans war. It didn't hurt his image any that there were no American soldiers killed in combat either.

    He is also a forward thinker, and a straight talker. These are qualities that appeal to the left and the right.
     
  26. Nov 3, 2005 #25

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    Well this thread got off to a bumpy start - but it's a worthwhile goal.

    I think Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives are going to have to agree to disagree.

    But afterall we are supposed to be a 'United' States, as in one house (or nation) under (or not) the deity (dieties) - well anyway - it's the only one we've got. So with that in mind - and being +ve,

    how about finding common ground on issues.


    What are the key issues?

    Federal Budget and the Debt/Deficit
    Tax Policy
    Federal vs States/Local Governments
    Energy Policy
    Foreign Policy
    Education
    General Welfare/Public Health/Emergency Preparedness
    Defense/Military
    Space Exploration
    Farming and Agriculture
    Forestry/Mining/Interior


    Who would one like to see as a candidate, and where do they stand on issues?

    Besides John McCain, Rudy Juliani, C. Rice :uhh: , and Hilary :uhh:

    Bill Bradley
    Thomas Kean
    Christine Todd Whitman
    Bob Kerry
    Olympia Snowe
    Susan Collins
    Lincoln Chafee - Interesting person

    Bottom line as I see it -

    Sound fiscal policy - reduce deficits and debt - 'reasonable' tax burden (OK reasonable needs to be defined or we need a consensus).

    foreign and domestic policies must be consistent with "principles of fairness and justness", and basic human rights, and applicable anywhere in the world, not just within US borders and only to US citizens.

    Maintain separation of church (religion) and state.
     
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