So much for freedom of religion

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Right so you just proved that the non-Christians don't celebrate the Christian faith.......good job...good work...
And yet, they celebrate Christmas. When you put these two observations together, you conclude that celebrating Christmas doesn't imply celebration of Christianity, right?
 
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And yet, they celebrate Christmas. When you put these two observations together, you conclude that celebrating Christmas doesn't imply celebration of Christianity, right?

Did someone say it has to?
 
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Wishbone said:
Right so you just proved that the non-Christians don't celebrate the Christian faith.......good job...good work... And yes complete secularization of Christmas is a myth, it is not completly secular. I don't think that is even majorly secular. And let me reitorate, the good cheer and happiness, and w/e is a celebration of Christianity in its own way.
I'm so sorry that you don't approve of my "proof."

If you're attempting to convince me of anything, you should know that your authoritative-like statements aren't working. If they're just your opinion, then fine. You're entitled to it and I disagree. The end.
 
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I'm so sorry that you don't approve of my "proof."
If you're attempting to convince me of anything, you should know that your authoritative-like statements aren't working. If they're just your opinion, then fine. You're entitled to it and I disagree. The end.

haha well if you read them as athoritative, well that might be your first problem. But well, if you disagree and you think thats what Christmas is, well, have fun with that :cool:


btw: I am not sure what that "proof" is supposed to "prove", but if its to "prove" that Christmas is completley commercial or whatever, then you need to go to "school".
 
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haha well if you read them as athoritative, well that might be your first problem. But well, if you disagree and you think thats what Christmas is, well, have fun with that :cool:


btw: I am not sure what that "proof" is supposed to "prove", but if its to "prove" that Christmas is completley commercial or whatever, then you need to go to "school".
They are authoratative-like because you give no explanation to those statements. You don't even attempt to put any substance in your arguments. Or were you expecting me to go in search of evidence to prove you wrong so you can retort with another cool one-liner? Sorry, I'm not interested in your wild goose chase.

I know my earlier post isn't proof. That's why that word was in quotes. It was alluding your implication.

Anyway, I'm done taking your bait. Merry Christmas.
 
You know... wouldn't the greatest extent that the government could go to in regards to "endorsing" a particular religion or religeous holiday be to legally recognize the holiday as a national holiday? Outside ofcourse of making people observe the holiday which they practically do since probably a good sixty or more percent of businesses are all closed today and since it falls on a sunday it's almost manditory that several things will be closed on monday and/or were closed on Friday.
Not many people really complain about that though do they? Maybe because it means they get things like a day off, holiday pay, ect..
They definitely like to complain if the government does anything to support such a holiday that in no way benefits them or displeases their taste in decor.
 
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There is an important consideration to be made in supporting the freedom of religion in both its beliefs and practices. As in all varieties of freedom, freedom of religion implies certain responsibilities. For any derived benefit comes a price; "freedom isn't free".

We all suffer or benefit personally from our beliefs depending on their validity, especially when we apply them to the practice of living. This personal responsibility is one thing and the effects that practicing our beliefs has on others is quite another. Believing that our actions are sanctified by ‘God’ does not relieve us of this responsibility.

We must all learn to respect the beliefs of others because right or wrong they are for each of us a foundation upon which we as individuals discover the truth.

I wish everyone a healthy, prosperous and
:smile: Happy New Year! :smile:
 
Freedom of religion is a farce. Religion is a philosophy, and, if there is freedom of religion, there should be freedom of philosophy. I should be free to believe whatever illogical nonsense I want. Why can't I be protected from the draft for being a non-religious pacifist? Freedom of religion is simply a necessary defense against religion until it is abolished. Freedom of religion was designed to allow people to practice beliefs that have no negative affect on society. Most religions are hierarchical and illogical and, as a result, corrupt society. The decision was only practical. Removing religious influence from any aspect of life should always be embraced.

You can, however, celebrate a non-religious Christmas. This involves the traditions of opening gifts without the celebration of the one embraced suicide by the church.
 

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Removing religious influence from any aspect of life should always be embraced.
You can, however, celebrate a non-religious Christmas. This involves the traditions of opening gifts without the celebration of the one embraced suicide by the church.
That will probably take a little patience.

Currently, 59% of Americans feel Christianity is under attack (Fox News poll), 83% feel nativity scenes should be allowed on public property, 93% feel the phrase "In God We Trust" should remain on the currency, and 90% feel the phrase "under God" should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance.

It's not just Fox News, either. In Gallup Polls, 76% favor a constitutional amendment to allow voluntary prayer in school (even though 69% feel a moment of silence for personal prayer is the better option) and 75% feel the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be displayed on government property.

Protecting the rights of minorities is important, but doing so by suppressing the rights of an overwhelming majority has some unfavorable consequences, as well.

That leads to some unhealthy trends in politics (George Bush, for instance). 39% of Americans feel the religious right has too much influence in the Bush administration and the Republican Party while only 18% feel they have too little influence. The influence of the religious right is a hard thing to fight when 83% of Americans are Christians and nearly 3/4 of them think their religion is under attack.
 

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