There are conflicting signals. Iraq is clearly descending into massive civil war - even http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061116/ap_on_go_co/congress_iraq [Broken] says so. But Democrats are planning on quick withdrawl. It's unfortunate that they won on rhetoric about getting out fast and damage control - now their political situation seems precarious indeed! Besides, why is American politics so America-centered anyway? I've seen very little national guilt over the incredible toll of human suffering our country's military involvement has accomplished on a foreign people. We're capable of blame, yes, it's not painful to blame it all on the actions of a moronic administration. But given the current reality, isn't it grossly immoral to pull out now out of self-interest, and let the country collapse on itself? What kind of additional death toll would that cause? The cynic in me says to me, that the military occupation hasn't brought any stability as it is, so there's no extra harm in getting out. I'm not sure how valid this argument is.