# Solve using bows notation

1. Oct 31, 2013

### anthonyk2013

I have this pass paper question I am trying to do and I cant even get started, Have been doing vector sums and just started bows notation.

I don't want a solution just where do I start. what's my first move?

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the fact I have only one force is throwing me out.

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2. Oct 31, 2013

### haruspex

There's only one force illustrated, but clearly there are forces at X and Y.

3. Oct 31, 2013

### anthonyk2013

So I need to fin those forces before first?

4. Oct 31, 2013

### haruspex

No, you are supposed to find them graphically.
Start at the point where the load is suspended. There are forces in the two frame members at that point. Between them, these must balance the load. You know which direction each acts in. In geometry terms, you have the length of one side (10N) and two adjacent angles. Draw the triangle.

5. Oct 31, 2013

### anthonyk2013

Draw a closed triangle representing the 3 forces?
I have 10kn going vertically down but 1 and 2 go horizontal.

6. Oct 31, 2013

### haruspex

No, the three forces acting at the point where the load is suspended. There is the load itself, and the forces in the two frame members that meet at that point. This triangle is just the start of the diagram. More triangles will be added as you extend it out to incorporate all the joints.

7. Nov 1, 2013

### anthonyk2013

I have made an attempt at solving the question, I would appreciate if someone could tell me if I'm heading in the right direction or am I a million miles away?

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8. Nov 1, 2013

### haruspex

That's the right start. Your labelling is a bit confusing. I don't know what you've been taught, but I would label each force (one for each strut, plus one for each of the load and the two support forces) in the original diagram and use the same labels in your Bow's diagram. (You could also label joints in the original, but in Bow's each of those becomes a triangle.)
Next step is to add the triangles corresponding to the adjacent joints.

9. Nov 1, 2013

### anthonyk2013

Being honest we spent an age doing vector sums and digrams and spent no time on bows notation so im trying to teach myself, the labelling is something I not 100% sure how to do.

is my next step the joint at the top, if so do I treat it as a 60deg angle or 120deg angle?

do I use the sine rule a/sina=b/sinb=c/sinc

or cos rule a*2=b*2+c*2-2bccosA

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10. Nov 1, 2013

### haruspex

There's one little thing to do before stepping onto another node. You should mark each edge of your triangle with an arrow to denote direction. The three arrows should run in a loop around the triangle. So for the right hand angled truss (call it A) you will get an arrow going up to the left. This tells you A is pulling up and to the left on that joint, as it should.
So let's step up to the joint at the top of A. A will still be represented by the line you have already drawn, but now the arrow is running the other way. Call the other two trusses at the top joint B and C. You now need to draw a line parallel to B from one end of A in Bow's, and a line parallel to C from the other end, and see where they cross. Which you put at which end of A does not matter in principle, but one choice will make the diagram easier to read than the other.

11. Nov 1, 2013

### anthonyk2013

is this what you mean?

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12. Nov 1, 2013

### haruspex

That's right. (I would build it all up in one diagram as long as it doesn't become too messy.) On to the next joint...

13. Nov 2, 2013

### anthonyk2013

To work out the forces in that triangle do I use the force 11.54 and angle of 60deg?
Or do I use cos and sin rule

14. Nov 2, 2013

### haruspex

I thought the point of Bow's method is that you don't use equations at all. You just draw the diagram very accurately. All the lengths will be in proportion to the forces, and you just measure them. Of course, you could use geometry to work out the lengths, and not worry about the diagram being perfect.

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