Derive the eightfold way

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In summary, this conversation discusses helpful hints for solving a problem in Advanced Physics regarding the combinations of u, d, and s quarks that give rise to baryons and their charge and strangeness. The key to solving the problem is understanding the difference between the eightfold way and the decuplet diagram and the role of spin. Additional resources are provided for further understanding.
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Homework Statement


This is from Advanced Physics by Adams and Allday, section 9.11, question 3.

I am posting hints for the solution because it took me so painfully long to understand what the text and the question were and weren't saying and hence to find the necessary extra information.

Question: Write down in a sequence along one line all the possible combinations of the u and d quarks that give rise to baryons. On the line beneath, write down all the baryon combinations of u, d, and s quarks using one s quark only. On the next line do the same thing including two s quarks. Now, for each combination write down the charge and strangeness of the particle. Compare the result with the baryon pattern in the eightfold way diagram move. What is the quark content of the Ώ-?

Answering this question requires information that is not given in the spread and is hard to find, especially when you don't know what you are looking for. It also requires being aware of spin, despite spin being out-of-scope for A-level Physics. Thus spin is mentioned (but not explained) below.

The question is about the "eightfold way". What is the key difference between the eightfold way and the decuplet diagram? The spread mentions, in the note to the diagrams, that some of the particles have the same quark combinations but different masses. That's true but not enough information to assign baryons made of only d, s and u particles to one or other diagram. The key difference is that the eightfold way is for particles with 1/2 spin and the decuplet for particles with 3/2 spin (see http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-baryons").

Now knowing that only particles with 1/2 spin need be included in "all the possible combinations of the u and d quarks that give rise to baryons" etc., the required list can be created from information at http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Particles/baryon.html#c1". It helps if you order them in ascending charge, too.

Homework Equations


None, only tables of data as in the above links.

The Attempt at a Solution


Not applicable (unless somebody asks).
 
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Hello there,

Thank you for providing these helpful hints for solving the problem. I agree that it can be frustrating when necessary information is not given or not easily accessible. it is important to always be aware of the limitations and scope of the information you are working with, and to seek out additional resources when necessary.

In this case, it seems that the key to solving the problem is understanding the difference between the eightfold way and the decuplet diagram and how spin plays a role in this. Thank you for providing the links to additional resources for further understanding.

I will definitely keep these hints in mind when tackling this problem. It's always helpful to have a better understanding of the concepts and background information before attempting to solve a problem.

Thanks again for sharing your insights and helping others who may be struggling with this problem. Keep up the good work!
 

What is the eightfold way?

The eightfold way is a classification system for hadrons (particles composed of quarks) developed by physicists Murray Gell-Mann and Yuval Ne'eman in the 1960s. It organizes hadrons into groups based on their properties, such as spin and strangeness, and has been an important tool in understanding the fundamental nature of matter.

What is the significance of the eightfold way?

The eightfold way was a major breakthrough in particle physics, as it provided a way to categorize the many different types of hadrons that had been discovered. It also helped to pave the way for the development of the quark model, which is a fundamental theory of particle physics that explains the structure and interactions of subatomic particles.

How does the eightfold way work?

The eightfold way is based on the concept of symmetries in nature. It organizes hadrons into groups based on their symmetries and properties, such as charge and spin. The eightfold way also introduced the concept of flavor, which refers to the different types of quarks that make up a hadron.

What are the different groups in the eightfold way?

The eightfold way has two main groups: baryons and mesons. Baryons are hadrons composed of three quarks, while mesons are made up of a quark and an antiquark. These groups are further divided into subgroups based on the properties of the particles, such as their spin, strangeness, and charge.

How has the eightfold way influenced modern physics?

The eightfold way has had a significant impact on modern physics, as it provided a framework for understanding the properties and interactions of subatomic particles. It also helped to inspire further research and developments in the field, leading to the discovery of new particles and a deeper understanding of the fundamental nature of matter.

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