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Solving log_a(y)^n

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I am wondering how you are meant to solve something like log_10(x)^2 = 0. What does multiplying and dividing do to the log function algebraically, I can easily tyoe into a calculator, but I don't know how to work it out on paper. My text book does not cover how to do these types of questions, but it does have those types of questions.


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The other log rules, maybe?


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It can be re-written as log_10(x)*log_10(x), but it really doesn't get me very far. I have tried a whole bunch of different methods, including rearranging some of the log rules, but to no avail.
 

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Homework Statement


I am wondering how you are meant to solve something like log_10(x)^2 = 0. What does multiplying and dividing do to the log function algebraically, I can easily tyoe into a calculator, but I don't know how to work it out on paper. My text book does not cover how to do these types of questions, but it does have those types of questions.


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The other log rules, maybe?


The Attempt at a Solution


It can be re-written as log_10(x)*log_10(x), but it really doesn't get me very far. I have tried a whole bunch of different methods, including rearranging some of the log rules, but to no avail.
If you want to solve [itex]n^2=0[/itex] then what's the only value that n can possibly be?
 
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Sorry, that was a bad example. An example that is actually what I'm looking to work out is:
(log_10(x))^2 - 2log_10(x) - 3 = 0

So what I have done is changed 2log_10(x) into log_10(x^2) and 3 into log_10(1000)

It now looks like this: log_10(x)^2 - log_10(x^2) - log_10(1000) = 0

So it would be: log_10(x)^2 - log_10(1000x^2) = 0

But what do I do with the log_10(x)^2 part?
 
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Sorry, that was a bad example. An example that is actually what I'm looking to work out is:
(log_10(x))^2 - 2log_10(x) - 3 = 0

So what I have done is changed 2log_10(x) into log_10(x^2) and 3 into log_10(1000)

It now looks like this: log_10(x)^2 - log_10(x^2) - log_10(1000) = 0

So it would be: log_10(x)^2 - log_10(1000x^2) = 0

But what do I do with the log_10(x)^2 part?
Your method will not work, and it is unnecessary; just put y = log_10(x) and see what you get.
 
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What do you mean by that? Do you mean substitute y = log_10(x) into log_a(y) = x, or actually graph it using y = log_10(x) as the equation?
 
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What do you mean by that? Do you mean substitute y = log_10(x) into log_a(y) = x, or actually graph it using y = log_10(x) as the equation?
Right now we're doing algebra without the graphing, so stop thinking about graphs for just a moment :wink:

You want to solve

[tex]\left(\log_{10}{x}\right)^2-2\log_{10}{x}-3=0[/tex]

Now for the substitution [itex]y=\log_{10}{x}[/itex] that Ray Vickson mentioned, everywhere you see a [itex]\log_{10}{x}[/itex], replace it for y.

For example, say we might want to solve

[tex](x+1)^2=0[/tex]

and we can't quite figure out what to do. Well, if we substitute y=x+1 then we get

[tex](x+1)^2=(y)^2=y^2=0[/tex]

And now we know how to solve for y, so we get y=0 as the solution, but we want our answer in x, so all we have to do is substitute back in now to get

[tex]y=x+1=0[/tex]

[tex]x=-1[/tex]

So try and see if you can apply the same technique to your problem.
 
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Oh, you substitute it like that. I always forget that as a potential way of solving things.

So what I did was substitute log_10(x) for y which gave:
y^2 - 3y +2 = 0
(y - 1)(y-2) = 0
y = 1,2

Then I put that into the y = a^x formula, except the substituted y is actually x here:

y = 10^1 or y = 10^2
y = 10,100

Which is the correct answer in the book. Thankyou very much for your help, and I'll try to remember to use substitution more often.
 
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Oh, you substitute it like that. I always forget that as a potential way of solving things.

So what I did was substitute log_10(x) for y which gave:
y^2 - 3y +2 = 0
(y - 1)(y-2) = 0
y = 1,2

Then I put that into the y = a^x formula, except the substituted y is actually x here:

y = 10^1 or y = 10^2
y = 10,100

Which is the correct answer in the book. Thankyou very much for your help, and I'll try to remember to use substitution more often.
Good work :smile:

The substitution isn't necessary by the way, but it does help to make things easier to spot. You could have always skip the substitution and done

[tex]\left(\log_{10}{x}\right)^2-3\left(\log_{10}{x}\right)+2=0[/tex]

[tex]\left(\log_{10}{x}-2\right)\left(\log_{10}{x}-1\right)=0[/tex]

[tex]\log_{10}{x}=1,2[/tex]

[tex]x=10^1,10^2=10,100[/tex]

But clearly it's easier to work with the substitution, especially since you're more accustomed to dealing with quadratics in simple single variables like x.
 

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