Solving the URN Problem: Finding the Probability of Drawing a White Ball

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of drawing a white ball from the nth urn in a sequence of urns, each containing a fixed number of white and black balls. The problem involves theoretical reasoning and mathematical modeling, particularly focusing on the case where balls are transferred between urns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a recurrence relation for the probability of drawing a white ball from the nth urn, based on the color of the ball drawn from the previous urn.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the initial assumptions and proposes that the probability remains consistent regardless of the number of urns, suggesting a simplified expression for the probability of drawing a white ball.
  • There is a discussion about the probabilities associated with drawing from the first urn versus subsequent urns, highlighting different conditions based on the color of the previously drawn ball.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the urn problem, with no consensus reached on the correctness of the proposed solutions or the recurrence relation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall probability calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the initial conditions of the urns or the implications of transferring balls between them. The mathematical steps leading to the proposed solutions are not fully established.

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Plz tell the solution to this problem


Each of n urns contains a white balls and b black balls; the urns are numbered 1,2,
. . . , n. One randomly selected ball is transferred from the firrst urn into the second,
then another from the second into the third, and so on. Finally a ball is drawn at
random from the nth urn. What is the probability that it is white
 
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Try solving the case n=2.
 
Let Xn denote the color of the ball selected from the nth urn.

The probability that you are looking for is P[Xn=w]. We have P[Xn=w]=P[Xn=w|Xn-1=w]P[Xn-1=w] + P[Xn=w|Xn-1=b]P[Xn-1=b].

We know P[Xn-1=b]=1-P[Xn-1=w]. So we have P[Xn=w]=P[Xn=w|Xn-1=w]P[Xn-1=w] + P[Xn=w|Xn-1=b](1-P[Xn-1=w]).

Here P[Xn=w|Xn-1=w] denotes the probability of drawing white from the nth urn given that a white ball has been drawn from the previous urn. So it is equal to (a+1)/(a+b+1). And P[Xn=w|Xn-1=b] is the probability of choosing a white ball from the nth urn given that we had a black ball from the previous urn; so it is a/(a+b+1). If put these values into the equality for P[Xn=w], if I am not making a mistake, we obtain,

P[Xn=w]=P[Xn-1=w]/(a+b+1) + a/(a+b+1),

which is a recurrence relation with initial value P[X1=w]=a/(a+b), which can be solved to obtain the solution (which also makes me think there should be a much easier way to find that probability.)
 
Is this true?

All urns have the same amount of balls to start with: a+b
Every time a ball is drawn there is probability a/(a+b) for the first urn and a/(a+b+1) or (a+1)/(a+b+1) for every next urn.
Depending on which color the ball has a or b is increased by one.
So it doesn't seem to matter how many urns there are!.
It is always a+1 or b+1 to be divided by (a+b+1),
so the probability for urn n = P(W) = (a+a/(a+b))/(a+b+1).
Does that make sense?

grtz,

Marc
 
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