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Solving uartics

  1. Sep 23, 2012 #1
    Is there a method to finding the roots of quartics besides Ferrari's formula?

    I have the equation


    I know one of the factor is something like $$x^{2}+x+1$$ and the other one can be found using sythetic division, but how can I find the factors without knowing one of them in the first place?


    My bad about the title. It's supposed to be Quartics instead of uartics.
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  3. Sep 23, 2012 #2


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    If the quartic has "nice" quadratic factors, then they will be of the form:

    [tex]x^4+5x^2+4x+5\equiv (x^2+ax\pm 1)(x^2+bx\pm 5)[/tex]

    Can you see why this is true? If we expand the right-hand side, we just need to compare coefficients to find the values of a and b and then we should be able to determine the nature of the [itex]\pm[/itex] operator.
  4. Sep 23, 2012 #3
    Oh, I see, but how do we know when the factors are "nice"?
  5. Sep 23, 2012 #4


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    We don't. We can always check to see if they are, just like we check to see if there are any rational roots.

    With the quartic [itex]x^4+5x^2+4x+5[/itex] we end up solving a system of equations for a,b that works out nicely, but if we changed the quartic around to say, [itex]x^4+6x^2+4x+5[/itex] then we find no solutions for a,b in the system of equations.
  6. Sep 23, 2012 #5
    Ok, thanks!
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  8. Sep 24, 2012 #7
    Ah, I believe I've seen this before. The method is nice, but it seems a little lengthy. Thanks for the link :smile:
  9. Sep 24, 2012 #8
    I end up getting two systems but one of them has no solution. Did I proceed correctly?
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    I don't know, what did you get?
  11. Sep 24, 2012 #10
    Sorry for not having LATEX since I'm on my phone, but I got:

    System 1:


    System 2:

  12. Sep 24, 2012 #11


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    Right, so simplifying this system, we have


    Which we can then deduce,
    a2=1 -> a=[itex]\pm1[/itex]
    4a=4 -> a=1, b=-1

    For this system we have no real solution, so what does that tell you?
  13. Sep 24, 2012 #12
    For the second system, I don't get any solutions. Therefore, that can't be the right system.
  14. Sep 24, 2012 #13


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    Exactly, so what must your factors be?
  15. Sep 25, 2012 #14
    Ah, that's what I thought. Thanks!
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