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Some World Changing Physics

  1. Sep 10, 2003 #1
    Alright, I need some help. I have an English professor who claims that "religion has evolved immensely in the last 10 years, far more than physics." Now, "evolved" is a vague term but it's obvious to me that he is not impressed with physics. He simply doesn't understand how much physics can actually explain and will make possible in the future. What I need is some examples of advances in Physics in the last 10 years so I can show him that just because he is a 60 year old English professor, that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.

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  3. Sep 10, 2003 #2

    chroot

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    What's the point of arguing with a 60 year old english professor? And why did he choose to compare religion to physics in the first place?

    - Warren
     
  4. Sep 10, 2003 #3

    jeff

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    Tell him we've discovered a way to manipulate energy which guarantees immortality, but only to those under 60.
     
  5. Sep 10, 2003 #4

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    The flu virus has evolved far more than Physics

    Warrensaid
    "What's the point of arguing with a 60 year old english professor?"

    The point can depend to a considerable degree on which 60 year old english professor. Some of them are intelligent.

    "Evolved" may not necessarily be a vague term if one is thinking of natural selection. E.g. bacteria evolve immunity to antibiotics and insect pests evolve immunity to insecticides along fairly clear lines.

    Over the past 1000 years religions have tended to evolve mechanisms for repressing women and keeping them preoccupied with bearing and raising children because those religions with a high birth rate tend to grow.

    Religions with a low birth rate tend to die out. Therefore in religions which are reproductively successful one tends to see (other things being equal) religious law and custom that keeps women focussed on being mothers and not on distracting things like having careers and being priests and getting education and stuff like that.

    EVOLUTION IS NOT NECESSARILY what one might affably and casually refer to as A GOOD THING

    Your 60 year old prof may be an idiot or he may not be.
    You have not given a clear description of the problem.
    From what you say he could very well be a boring airhead or
    he might be a good teacher trying to get you to think about
    cliches like the "progress of science" and about what it
    means to evolve----the word is used in an interesting variety
    of different ways.

    I am not convinced that this is what you need.
     
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  6. Sep 10, 2003 #5
    What he has done here is made what
    is called in Logic, "a bald
    assertion".

    In addition, as Chroot pointed
    out, he has neglected to explain
    by what means it is possible to
    measure "evolution" in Religion
    or Physics such that the relative
    progress could be compared.

    Worst of all, he hasn't explained
    what he means by the word "Relig-
    ion."

    Is he implying that evolution in
    Religion is a good thing? Is he,
    himself, a member of any parti-
    cular religion? This is important
    since it would necessarily color
    everything he said on the subject.
    This bald assertion carries with
    it the distinct aroma of an
    agenda.

    What is the name of this English
    class? Does this issue of evo-
    lution in Religion vs evolution in
    physics tie in? Does this man know
    the difference between a coordina-
    ing conjunction and a conjunctive
    adverb? In other words; can he
    accurately parse a sentence? Is
    this a Philosophy class masquer-
    ading as an English class? In
    other words, does he seem more
    interested in playing with ideas
    than he is in fostering the stud-
    ent's appreciation of the English
    language?

    For advances in physics look to
    astrophysics. Recently collected
    evidence suggests that not only
    is the expansion of the universe
    not slowing down, it is
    acceleraing. In addition,
    there are two threads on the board
    now concerning the issue of how
    recent observations of sound
    coming from a black hole have
    people exited.

    -zooby
     
  7. Sep 10, 2003 #6

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    You typed that message on a computer and posted it on the internet, right...?
     
  8. Sep 11, 2003 #7
    This sounds like a topic for debate more than a bald assertion. Your Prof should be fully cognizant with the idea of providing evidence to back an argument. Where is the evidence that Religion[1] has evolved, that needs defining first anyway. Then get them to provide examples of this. I'd be looking for things like acceptance of Women in the Priesthood, acceptance of hithertofore unaccetable lifestyles such as Homosexuals. You get the idea.

    As Zooby points out, there have been massive advances in Astrophysics recently. How about the discovery of the Top Quark, advances in superstring theories, slowing light to meters per second confirming QM effects, creation of anti-Hydrogen ...

    [1]Which religion, Catholicism, Protestantism, Lutheran, Wesleyan, Baptist, Mormon, Hinduism, Islam (Sunni or Shi'ia), Buddhism (numerous variations), Shintoism ...
     
  9. Sep 11, 2003 #8
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    What I need is some examples of advances in Physics in the last 10 years so I can show him ...[that he doesnt know]... what he's talking about.

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    Here are two examples which will blowup his classic mind.


    Wolfram, S. A New Kind of Science - Wolfram Media, Inc., 2002.

    Savov, E. Theory of Interaction - Geones Books, 2002.
     
  10. Sep 11, 2003 #9
    I appreciate the advice.
     
  11. Sep 11, 2003 #10

    Chi Meson

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    This might be jumping the topic, but would advances in technology be considered advances in physics? Computers for example, have not benefitted from new theory, so much as figuring out how to apply the theories on a smaller and smaller scale. The people who do this work have been trained in physics. Call them engineers, but aren't engineers just physicists who get paid better? (don't answer).

    Other areas: The proof of Bose-Einstein condensate. Old theory, but refined physics? Isn't this "evolution"?

    Then there's the success in extremely high indeces of refration; substance that "trap" light. (google: "quantum coherence").

    I'm hoping the English professor isn't one of those who have decided to belittle that which he does not understand. It's such a cop out. Maybe he is trying to spark debate, but his premise is not supportable, as was already stated; how can you put a value on an evolutionary step?

    FUrthermore, I'd say that the bifuraction, splitting, factionalisation, etc. is devolution. Things are more chaotic these days. THere are about a dozen sects of "mormons" already, for example. Yer Professor should not be allowed to let this lay there.
     
  12. Sep 11, 2003 #11
    "the proof of the Bose-Einstein Condensate"

    Has that been explained? When? How?? I'm exited.
     
  13. Sep 12, 2003 #12
    more than what he bargains for

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    Alright, I need some help. I have an English professor who claims that "religion has evolved immensely in the last 10 years, far more than physics." Now, "evolved" is a vague term but it's obvious to me that he is not impressed with physics.
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    What your professor means is that the fundamental understanding of nature has not evolved for the past 10 years. Here at this point he is quite right.

    You may show him the books I mentioned my earlier post and tell us his response, particularly to the complete picture of "firework universe" made of one self-reproducing multiscale 3D-spiral interaction, proposed by Eugene Savov.

    Ask you professor "Have you heard about the 3D-spiral code of nature"
    and suggest him to google the net for Eugene Savov. I am sure that he will find much more than what he bargains for.
     
  14. Sep 12, 2003 #13

    chroot

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    Re: more than what he bargains for

    Stop posting this Eugene Savov crap all over the Physics forum. If you'd like to discuss it, the appropriate place is the Theory Development forum.

    - Warren
     
  15. Sep 12, 2003 #14
    Religion evolve? Bah. I'd say it's being _forced_, because no-one would accept it if it wasn't modernized.
     
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