# Sorry Everybody

10 seconds being the exact amount of time in between 'American Idol' and 'Terminator 3'

revelator said:
Hmm, what if he's trying to his hand at reverse psychology? I'm sure Bush is a better source of new terrorist recruits than Kerry. Either way, I'd hope Americans have more sense than to let the opinions of Bin Laden affect their decision to vote.
Bush has upset two governments where Bin Laden felt comfortable, rebuilt the CIA, taken a dictator out of power that killed millions of muslim people, and Kerry was an antiwar protestor, what do you think? I'm guessing he wanted Bush out of power.

I do believe, very strongly, that you Ivan and Tsu have the right to say whatever you want about this government, but that does not change the nature of what you are saying. The beauty of our country is that we have the right to say things that in other countries would have us killed or put in prison. That is because we ARE the government. We don't have a king, we have a president. He works for us. What you are saying does border on treason, because what you are saying is that he is not YOUR president he is OURS, (those who voted for him). As Russ said, you are apologizing for the democratic form of government that allowed someone other than your choice become president.

I want you to know that I did not vote for Kerry, but if he had won, I would have been behind him 100%. He would still be my president.

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For God's sake, Artman. I'm not 'apologizing for the democratic form of government that allowed someone other than your choice become president' in ANY way, shape or form. I can live with a bad president. Hell, not many of them have really been all that great in my lifetime!! No. I'm apologizing for a sorry-a, war-mongering, muslim-hating/killing, stupid, ignorant, lying, pathetic-excuse-for-a-Christian president who will probably continue to invade more countries and kill more muslims in his Crusade for Christ.

He does NOT represent me, my views, or my values. I don't want him. You can have him. He's too bad for me!!

Ivan Seeking
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Nor does he represent American values. Bush is the living definition of un-American. He is an enemy of the Constitution thus an enemy of this nation.

Surely no one is naive enough to think we get this upset over every election, or that this is about liberalism and conservatism. I have never been so outraged...not even close. We view this as a defining moment in this nation's history; perhaps the end of the US as we know it. Until most Americans learn to value those ideals which made this country, the country is lost. The definition of America is the Constitution, not the people who happen to be voting this year.

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Bush has upset two governments where Bin Laden felt comfortable, rebuilt the CIA, taken a dictator out of power that killed millions of muslim people, and Kerry was an antiwar protestor, what do you think? I'm guessing he wanted Bush out of power.
I wouldn't doubt that at all, but I have no doubt that Bush has been nothing but a boon for terrorist recruitment.

On top of that.... are you saying that killing millions of muslims was a good thing?

Oh right, I forgot that they worshipped a false god. my bad.

Artman, would you stand behind and support 100% a man whom you considered to be immoral, just because he's your President?

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Smurf said:
On top of that.... are you saying that killing millions of muslims was a good thing?

Oh right, I forgot that they worshipped a false god. my bad.
No, what I was talking about was Sadaam killing over a million Muslims, not Bush.

revelator said:
Artman, would you stand behind and support 100% a man whom you considered to be immoral, just because he's your President?
When Clinton was being accused of having sex with his interns, my position was that he should not be bothered with those law suits while he was president. Take any required depositions, interview any witnesses, etc, but do not involve the president until he is out of office. Our two party system works to discredit the president at every opportunity so that the other party has a better chance to get into power. What happens is what we see with Bush, lop sided sources give us two views of the same man. Nearly 50% believe him one thing, the other 50% believe him to be something entirely different. My position is, support him when he is in office, and challange him only in what applies directly to that office. My personal opinion is that he is doing the best he can.

revelator said:
I wouldn't doubt that at all, but I have no doubt that Bush has been nothing but a boon for terrorist recruitment.
I can't disagree with this, but I believe he has weakened their support systems (funding sources, training camps, etc.) The USA was being accused of killing Iraqis prior to the war by our support of the UN sanctions against them, (even though they hinged on Sadaam's compliance with the requirements of his surrender in the first Gulf War). The USA being blamed for these million deaths I think was probably a larger boon for terrorist recruiment than who is currently president. And, hopefully, the way is being cleared to rebuild Iraq this could ease tensions.