Space: Endless or Finite? The Surprising Impact on Shape and Structure

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The discussion centers on whether space is infinite or finite, highlighting the implications of each perspective on the shape of the universe. If space is infinite, it lacks a definitive shape, while a finite space suggests a specific structure. The conversation references the universe's expansion and the concept of a horizon, indicating that the true nature of space may remain unknowable. Analogies, such as the surface of a balloon, are used to illustrate complex ideas about dimensions and perception. Ultimately, understanding the universe's shape requires correlating observations with mathematical models, as human experience is limited.
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Does space go on forever,

or does space end?

There is a "big" difference, if any way you go space goes on forever or if any way you go space ends.

What is a "big" difference between those two ideas?

If space goes on forever any way you go, space does not have a shape.

If space ends any way you go, then space can take a shape.

Space can take a shape, if space ends.

There is another "big" difference whether space ends or not. Can you think of what that is?

You may tell people about this.

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Bear in mind that because our universe is expanding, it has a horizon beyond which we cannot see and will never be able to see. So it appears that we will never know the answer to your question.
 
Can you find the "end" of the surface of a balloon? Does a balloon have a shape?
 
Integral said:
Can you find the "end" of the surface of a balloon? Does a balloon have a shape?

I was just thinking of Carl Sagan when I read this post.

Space can indeed appear to go on forever from within, but still have a shape from the outside. Space can be curved into a 4th physical dimension but appear flat to us.
 
Integral said:
Can you find the "end" of the surface of a balloon? Does a balloon have a shape?

Where do you come up with the idea that the is like a ball and space is on the outside of it, that way you only move in 2 dimentions not three
 
spaceends said:
Where do you come up with the idea that the is like a ball and space is on the outside of it, that way you only move in 2 dimentions not three

And`if you wrap a 3d shape around a 4th, you can move in 3d. However anyone with three working braincells knows that that was an analogy. I detect you are either deliberately not getting it to be awkward. Or you are a troll.

Enjoy not being around for long.
 
The balloon is an analogy, our universe can have higher dimensional shape that we, stuck in 3d cannot sense.
Aren't you the one speculating about things which you have no practical basis for? I am attempting to show you that you may not have all the information necessary to make the claims you are making. Common sense means nothing in these matters, here on Earth we simply do not have the experiences necessary to logically understand the larger universe. To even think about the shape of the universe we must correlate our observations with a mathematical model. Have you used either?

It must be nice to imagine that you have full knowledge of the universe and that everything you observe from your kitchen table applies exactly.
 

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