Speed of Light Paradox: Neutron Star Rotation Rate

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the rotation rate of the neutron star PSR J1748-2446ad, particularly concerning the conservation of momentum and the possibility of surface speeds exceeding the speed of light. Participants explore theoretical aspects related to angular momentum and relativistic effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how conservation of momentum can hold if a neutron star's surface speed could theoretically exceed the speed of light based on its initial rotation rate.
  • Another participant explains that angular momentum does not scale linearly with angular velocity and suggests that the conservation of angular momentum can be maintained without exceeding the speed of light.
  • A later reply emphasizes that momentum does not increase linearly with speed and provides a relativistic formula for momentum, indicating that large momentum can be achieved at speeds below the speed of light.
  • Some participants acknowledge the complexity of neutron stars and the need to consider their full stress-energy tensor in these discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of neutron star rotation rates and the conservation of momentum, with no consensus reached on whether speeds greater than light could be permissible or how angular momentum is conserved in such scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of the Newtonian approximation when discussing relativistic speeds and the complexities involved in neutron star physics.

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If a neutron star spins fast enough, doesn't it imply that either (1) surface speeds greater than the speed of light are possible or (2) angular momentum is not conserved?
Sorry if this is a stupid question but I couldn't find an answer anywhere. According to 2 scientific papers, the neutron star PSR J1748-2446ad has a rotation rate of 716Hz, which equates to a linear surface speed of 0.24c. What if this star was originally rotating, let's say, 5 times (or more) faster before it collapsed. That would imply that it's surface speed would reach 1.2c. How could the conservation of momentum hold true unless speeds greater than 1c are allowed?
 
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Angular momentum does not scale linearly with angular velocity. It approaches infinity as the linear speed approaches ##c##. So any initial angular momentum can be accommodated in the collapsed state without exceeding the speed of light.

Note that neutron stars are extremely complicated objects and you really need to think about their full stress-energy tensor.
 
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Ok thanks for the quick response (and not making fun of my lack of knowledge)!
 
jflies said:
Summary: If a neutron star spins fast enough, doesn't it imply that either (1) surface speeds greater than the speed of light are possible or (2) angular momentum is not conserved?

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I couldn't find an answer anywhere. According to 2 scientific papers, the neutron star PSR J1748-2446ad has a rotation rate of 716Hz, which equates to a linear surface speed of 0.24c. What if this star was originally rotating, let's say, 5 times (or more) faster before it collapsed. That would imply that it's surface speed would reach 1.2c. How could the conservation of momentum hold true unless speeds greater than 1c are allowed?

Momentum does not increase linearly with speed. Linear momentum, ##p##, for example is given by:

##p = \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}##

You can see from this formula that any momentum can be obtained (no matter how large) with a speed of less than ##c##.

When ##v## is small compared to ##c##, then you get the classical, Newtonian approximation:

##p \approx mv##

But that only holds for speeds much less than ##c##.
 
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PeroK said:
Momentum does not increase linearly with speed. Linear momentum, ##p##, for example is given by:

##p = \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}##

You can see from this formula that any momentum can be obtained (no matter how large) with a speed of less than ##c##.

When ##v## is small compared to ##c##, then you get the classical, Newtonian approximation:

##p \approx mv##

But that only holds for speeds much less than ##c##.
Yup, I was only considering the Newtonian approximation. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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