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Spiritual evolution of mankind

  1. Oct 12, 2011 #1
    Philosopher Olaf Stapledon wrote Starmaker and the First and Last Men; supposed to be the best of the best in science fiction or future history according to some authorities. The books cover a time span of a gazillion supereons in the evolution of life in the universe. Planets are born and die. Intelligent life develops as water and plant forms as well as mankind, then passes away and develops into other forms with different minds. I wonder if in our entire history we have grown spiritually at all or if we have not and are still just as warlike, egocentric, greedy and selfish as we were way back. You can see adults on any day acting like children; showing greed, jelousy and anger when someone has something better than they do. Will we be better and kinder 10,000 years from now? Or is spiritual or growth in kindness even part of the plan? Maybe what we see is all it's meant to be. Any opinions? Any further reading?
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  3. Oct 12, 2011 #2
    What plan? To quote the immortal Frank Zappa, "You are what you is, and that's all it tis."

    Nature is not kind;
    It treats all things impartially.
    The Sage is not kind,
    And treats all people impartially.
    Nature is like a bellows,
    Empty, yet never ceasing its supply.
    The more it moves, the more it yields;
    So the sage draws upon experience
    And cannot be exhausted.
    Lao Tzu

    You either trust who and what you are or you don't. If you don't, sucks to be you.
  4. Oct 12, 2011 #3


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    We have mutually agreed upon laws that, at least most of the time, protect us from being killed. This increases our lifespan and our quality of life and has raised our standard of living.

    A larger and larger portion of the world's population can now be assured of shelter, food, a livelihood, protection under the law and freedom in the pursuit of happiness.

    This was not a gift from elsewhere. We built it for ourselves because it's the world we wanted.
  5. Oct 13, 2011 #4
    Imo, no. We're an emergent artifact or byproduct of a fundamental wave dynamic(s). Nature is indifferent to our apprehension of things. Wrt nature there's no kindness and meanness, no good and evil. The 'spiritual' is an invention of humankind. It comforts us in our ignorance, and provides an unchallengable basis for social directives.
  6. Oct 13, 2011 #5


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    I think you've missed the point. Allow me to clarify:

  7. Oct 13, 2011 #6


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    This does not meet the philosophy guidelines.
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