# Spivak Calculus (1994)

1. Apr 4, 2012

### jrdunaway

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

2. What is wrong with the following "proof"? Let x = y. Then
x2 =xy,
x2 - y2 =xy - y ,
(x + y)(x -y) = y(x - y),
x + y = y,
2y = y,
2= 1.

2. Relevant equations

It's obvious that x + y =/= y, but I do not know how to "prove" this, i.e. which proof from algebra is applicable here. My hunch is that it is the Distributive Property?

3. The attempt at a solution

I honestly am not sure where to start with this. All I can see is that dividing (x-y) out from step 3 to step 4 is what causes the inequality.

Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
2. Apr 4, 2012

### tiny-tim

welcome to pf!

hi jrdunaway welcome to pf!
that's right!

if x = y, that means that you divided by 0, which isn't allowed

so (if x = y) that step is not valid

3. Apr 4, 2012

### HallsofIvy

You mean xy- y2 on the right.

But you still can't divide by 0.

5*0= 0 and 3*0= 0 so 5*0= 3*0. It does not follow that 5= 3!

4. Apr 4, 2012

### Mentallic

What instead should have been done was

$$(x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y)$$

$$(x+y)(x-y)-y(x-y)=0$$

$$(x-y)(x+y-y)=0$$
(factorized out (x-y) from both factors)

$$(x-y)x=0$$

So either x-y=0, thus x=y, or x=0

This is common practice when solving quadratics and such. If you end up with $$x^2+x=0$$ for example, you don't divide through by x to obtain $x+1=0$ because then you lose the solution of x=0. What you instead do is factorize into the form $x(x+1)=0$ which allows you to find all the solutions.

5. Apr 4, 2012

### jrdunaway

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