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Stark effect

  1. Jul 7, 2007 #1
    Hi Here is my question,

    Consider stark effect for n=3 states of hydrogen there are nine degenerate states ?3lm(neglect spin),We turn on
    an electric field in Z direction.
    a)construct 9 x 9 matrix representing perturbing hamiltonian.

    b)find eigen values and their degeneracies.
    do reply me at nikvoodoo@gmail.com
     
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  3. Jul 7, 2007 #2

    malawi_glenn

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    noone will ever help you unless you show some work and what relationships you know etc.

    And why answer you at you mail?
     
  4. Jul 7, 2007 #3
    why no one will ever help me

    which work do u want and what relationships you want etc.
     
  5. Jul 7, 2007 #4

    malawi_glenn

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    It is how things work in these forums, it is the rules that you give your work done so far, thougts, and relevant forumlas etc in order to get helt.

    Thats why the standard

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data



    2. Relevant equations



    3. The attempt at a solution

    Is given before you write something new here.
     
  6. Jul 7, 2007 #5
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  7. Jul 7, 2007 #6
    this the coding done in html
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  8. Jul 7, 2007 #7
    What is the meaning of all this BS?
    What is your starting point for calculating the interaction with the electric field?
    What are the pedagogical aims of this exercice: just making a big calculation based on hydrogen wavefunctions, or exploring the effect of symmetries and a simple application of group theory (wigner-eckart)?
    What is the context?
    Are you supposed to calculate the level displacements as a function of the electric field and to compare with experimental data?
    For the eigenvalues, do you mean the eigenvalue of the pertubation or of the perturbed hamiltonian?
    Are you going to calculate that numerically of to calculate first order perturbation (may be this is the purpose of this exercice?).

    Sorry but if you are lazy, I will be too.
    This is a very nice exercice, you should spend a lot of time on that to enjoy.
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2007
  9. Jul 7, 2007 #8
    help ASAP

    can any one do this question or not ?
    i m new to this topic , can't any one hlp me .
    no one there for my hlp?
     
  10. Jul 7, 2007 #9

    malawi_glenn

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    we still dont know what you know so far, and where you are stuck.
     
  11. Jul 7, 2007 #10
    hlp

    dont know any thing about this topic .
    i hve missed my classes due medical reasons , so dont know anything abt this topic and has to complete this question as homework
    now can any body help me
    pleawse slove it ASAP
     
  12. Jul 7, 2007 #11

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    Sorry but it is not how things work in these forums, that we give away solutions just like that.

    What are you sources of information for this problem? Have you asked your teacher for information?
     
  13. Jul 7, 2007 #12
    sources of information for this problemis my teacher
    asked my teacher for information but she refused to help me
     
  14. Jul 9, 2007 #13
    help ASAP

    please any one help me
    i need the solution quickly , as the last date for submittion is aproching
    please help me
     
  15. Jul 9, 2007 #14
    We don't know the level of your course, or the aim of the exercice.
    I told you to explain us more about that.
    There are many different ways to solve this question.

    A very simple and elementary way is to calculate the matrix elements directly from the n=3 wavefunctions (see there for example: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/hydwf.html )

    I assume you at least know the form of the pertubation to add to the hamiltonian!
     
  16. Jul 10, 2007 #15
    the level of my course is graduation
    there is nothing about stark effect in that link
    my frnd gave me this gave as hint.

    the partial answer is given as <300|Z|310>=-3sqrt(6)a.
    <310|Z|320|=-3sqrt(3)a.
    <31(+ 0r -)1|Z|32(+0r-)1>.
    =-4.5a
     
  17. Jul 10, 2007 #16
    well,
    write Z explicitely,
    plug the wavefunctions from the link I provided,
    calculate all the needed matrix elements,
    use the first order perturbation theory,
    or solve exactly by numerical diagonalisation

    then learn quantum mechanics to understand the meaning of your calculations
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2007
  18. Jul 10, 2007 #17
    i cant understand you
    please be bit clear
     
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