Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Statistics Questions

  1. Jan 6, 2004 #1
    It seems to me that a lot the concepts in statistics are rather arbitrary and don't seem be mathematically derived. For example, how is the equation for standard deviation derived? The textbook says that the standard deviation is the mean of all of the deviations of the values in the sample and since all the deviations add up to zero, the values are sqaured to get rid of the negative. I understand that, but why doesn't it just take the absolute value? Why is the square-root taken only after everything has been summed? Furthermore, why is it divided by (n-1) and not n?

    Also, can anyone explain the proof for Chebychev's rule?

    Thanks very much.
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Jan 6, 2004 #2
    Hello Moose,

    The standard deviation formula can be derived, my Maths teacher showed me. Unfortunately I am unable to derive it so I will not be much help there. The reason we divide by n-1 sometimes is to give as a most accurate or unbiased estimate for sample data. There is also proof for that, which I am also unable to do. Hope this helped.

    Regards,

    Daniel
     
  4. Jan 6, 2004 #3
    Thanks repugno. It's good to know that there is a proof, but I will not be convinced until i see it.
     
  5. Jan 6, 2004 #4
    Lol .. tried to give you some Mathematical proof, seems that I can't get the Latex code right. You're on your own now. :D
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2004
  6. Jan 9, 2004 #5
    Ah! Please try again. I can't find any other proof. I think the real problem is I haven't yet found a concept (of course, granted that I haven't learnt much) that the current definition of SD exclusively works for.
     
  7. Jan 9, 2004 #6

    NateTG

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    A large amount of statistics is based on the notion of normal distributions.

    For normal distributions it is possible to, for example, show that a certain fraction of the results are within a standard deviation of the peak.
     
  8. Jan 9, 2004 #7
    I completely understand. But why does it have to be based on that specific definition standard distribution. Can not those fractions be recalculated based on another definition of the standard deviation?
     
  9. Jan 9, 2004 #8

    selfAdjoint

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Gold Member
    Dearly Missed

    Very early in the history of statistics they did use absolute values. But the math of those is difficult: they are not "analytic functions". Squares on the other hand are polynomials, easy to work with. In fact the real number here is the variance, the square of the standard deviation (or rather, the standard deviation is the square root of the variance).

    Any probability distribution that has moments has the mean as its first moment, and the variance as its second moment (essentially and with some tech fiddles). What are moments? well in one sense they are the parameters that determine the equation of the probability curve. The normal curve is distinguished because it has only those two moments; it is a two parameter curve. You tell me where the mean is and what the standard deviation is and I will give you the formula for that notmal curve and be able to draw it. Any other probability distribution that has moments at all - some don't - will be determined if you specify all of its moments, which may be an infinite number.
     
  10. Jan 26, 2004 #9

    turin

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper

    Wow, that sounds interesting. Is this like a Taylor expansion of a function? If the distribution has no moments, is it trivial?
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?



Similar Discussions: Statistics Questions
  1. Statistics question (Replies: 4)

  2. Statistics Question (Replies: 6)

  3. Statistics Question (Replies: 1)

Loading...