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News Status of Women in Afghanistan

  1. Aug 3, 2010 #1
    I will be very interested if someone has any studies about women status in Afghanistan through out the history (or before Soviet, during Soviet, post, and American).

    Second if there has been any study on the comparision of people welfare in all those periods.

    I made this post in Wikileaks but it got locked.
     
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  3. Aug 3, 2010 #2
    This is what Wikipedia has to tell:

     
  4. Aug 3, 2010 #3
    There's an interesting documentary called Afghan Star which goes into this a little.
     
  5. Aug 3, 2010 #4

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    Yours was the interesting topic to which I referred. I'm glad you started a thread on it.
     
  6. Aug 3, 2010 #5
    interesting. given the ideology of PDPA, it sounds like they might have been soviet-influenced from the beginning.
     
  7. Aug 3, 2010 #6
    It only describes what policies they made or what they had in their agenda but it does not mention how effective those policies were. US is also making similar efforts but not with much success. The main subject of this thread to know people quality of life (particularly women) in different periods not what the country occupants or governments attempted to do.
     
  8. Aug 3, 2010 #7
    it's still interesting, because it makes me wonder that if there was an attempt to abolish religion and culture there, that it might cause a backlash, with those religious and cultural aspects expressed even more forcefully.

    but, as someone mentioned in the other thread, we see these same cultural attitudes toward women in pakistan, india, etc. and seeing it in india tells me that it's got nothing to do with islam in particular, it's just the way people in this geographical region have lived for centuries.
     
  9. Aug 4, 2010 #8
    US faced similar problems.

    While those countries share similar cultures but a big difference between three countries is that India has been political stable for past 5-6 decades while Afghanistan and Pakistan not so stable.

    I found few reports on women status in those countries. I would need some time before I can go through all but from quick look seems like in all three countries women status has improved. I believe a report from western perspective might not be similar to what some scholar from Afghanistan would write.

    Afghanistan:

    http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0009/000916/091693eo.pdf

    http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/prb0734-e.htm
    claims that
    India:
    Some progress over time as mentioned in both following reports:

    http://fairmodel.econ.yale.edu/ec483/tv4.pdf

    http://www.gasat-international.org/conferences/G11Mauritius/proceedings/proceedings%205.pdf [Broken]
    If you go to page 4, it provides some historical background and British reforms.

    Pakistan:
    http://www.adb.org/Documents/Books/Country_Briefing_Papers/Women_in_Pakistan/chap_02.pdf [Broken]
    However it does specify that some women are involved in politics and there is an awareness (right in the beginning).


    http://www.unescap.org/huset/women/reports/pakistan.pdf [Broken]

     
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  10. Aug 4, 2010 #9
    I understand that, but that info is all I have, I do not have a report on the actual position of women during that timeframe, if I had, i would have submitted it.
     
  11. Aug 4, 2010 #10
    It might be, fact is that they did ask for military assistance of the Soviet Union.
     
  12. Aug 4, 2010 #11

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    I believe there are studies. One really has to look at individual tribes, provinces, and regions.

    There is this on Hazara women.
    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Hazara_People
    Elsewhere, I have read that Hazara women fought with their husbands, and thus the group was especially targeted by the Taliban.

    Women in Shiite tribes/areas seemed to have had more rights than those in the Sunni areas.

    One can get a glimmer of understanding in Greg Mortenson's book "Stones to Schools". The Tajiks and Kyrgyz apparently appreciate education for girls.
     
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  13. Aug 4, 2010 #12

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    If the PDPA was little more than a Soviet stooge installed by the Soviets then there's little significance to the 'fact' that the PDPA requested Soviet assistance.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2010 #13

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    In the decades prior to the Soviet invasion and the Taliban it appears Afghanistan was making some progress in the treatment of women, under the rule of the former king http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zahir_Shah" [Broken].

    Notables:
    o Shah supported an http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2123943.ece"
    o In 1957 "a delegation of Afghan women attended an international women's conference" in Ceylon
    o In 1958 "a woman was included in the Afghan delegation to" the UN in New York
    o In 1961 the academic faculties in Kabul were opened to women.
    o The 1964 Afghan constitution was "characterized by some writers as perhaps the finest in the Muslim world". In theory, it granted equal rights before the law of men and women citizens, though the institutions were no yet in place to guarantee those rights.
    o By 1974 "[...]there were 56,099 men and 6323 women employed by the government in 1974, with 35 percent of the men and 69 percent of the women working as teachers"
    The above is notable since we know the Taliban later forbade female employment completely.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=h-...afghanistan history monarchy&num=100&pg=PA38" By Angelo Rasanayagam

    Also see: Afghanistan http://www.culturalprofiles.net/Afghanistan/Directories/Afghanistan_Cultural_Profile/-644.html"
     
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  15. Aug 4, 2010 #14

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    I'm currently reading the book myself, and it is fascinating. The chiefs in these tribes are practically begging Greg for women's schools.
     
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  16. Aug 4, 2010 #15
    Ah, so it's another case of the US destabilizing a region and twarthing efforts towards modernization in the pursuit of its interests, only to later claim having moral autorithy. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
     
  17. Aug 4, 2010 #16

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    Nonsense. The Soviet Union destabilized and wrecked Afghanistan, then the Taliban stomped on the detritus that was left for another decade.
     
  18. Aug 4, 2010 #17
    Straight from the quoted article. The US contributed towards the creation of the Taliban.
     
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  21. Aug 4, 2010 #20

    mheslep

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    Which?

    Edit: I see you quoted from Wiki. Nevermind.

    and this
    Is bull, not even supported by Wiki.
     
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  22. Aug 4, 2010 #21
    Of course, whether they did is state secret. But it's highly rumored, and likely.
     
  23. Aug 4, 2010 #22
    as a response to the PDPA ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People...stan#Formation_and_early_political_activities

     
  24. Aug 4, 2010 #23

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    But if the US set up Afghanistan as a bear trap, then how can it be "nevermind"? In fact Werg has just knocked your arguments that others created the mess out of the ball park.

    The full text of the Brzezinski is really worth reading - especially because it shows how much governments will conceal about their true motives. You can either respond naively to the latest emotive propaganda cover pictures, or intelligently by an analysis of international power relations.

     
  25. Aug 4, 2010 #24

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    Amusingly, Wiki credits major moves towards equality to the Marxist PDPA. But I suppose this can't be correct as socialism = "bad guys" :rolleyes:.

     
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  26. Aug 4, 2010 #25
    communism is not socialism, but it is correct to say that both would be supportive of more gender equality. and there are other reasons people might think of communists as "bad guys".
     
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