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Stealth bomber crashes

  1. Feb 23, 2008 #1
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7260795.stm
     
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  3. Feb 23, 2008 #2
    Damn, that's a shame. Such a nice aircraft, and F'in expensive.
     
  4. Feb 23, 2008 #3
    And really very rare to have one crash. Glad the pilots were able to get out.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2008 #4
    I'm sorry, but Ha ha ha....ha ha....ha. I have no sympathy for the military and their death machines. Even if both of my grandfathers, plus two uncles, were in the Army and Navy.
     
  6. Feb 23, 2008 #5
    ........?
     
  7. Feb 23, 2008 #6

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  8. Feb 23, 2008 #7
    But you must feel sorry for your tax dollars. However you can feel happy for the good people at Northrop Grumman's Military Aircraft Systems Division, Boeing Military Airplanes Co, Hughes Radar Systems Group, and General Electric Aircraft Engine Group because they all will probably in the near future be getting a big contract.
     
  9. Feb 23, 2008 #8
    Hey, the pilots were OK so thats good. Yeah the technology is cool (make that really cool) but the implementation and cause are wrong.
     
  10. Feb 23, 2008 #9
    Whats wrong about killing the enemy?
     
  11. Feb 23, 2008 #10
    Define enemy, and the reason to kill them. Like actual threat level
     
  12. Feb 23, 2008 #11
    I don't pay taxes (yet). If our high school yearbook had a "Most likely to become an ex-pat." I'd likely be on there.
     
  13. Feb 23, 2008 #12
    Thats a legal definition based on the UN and the US law.

    For example, I want the Iraqi insurgents vaporized into sand.
     
  14. Feb 23, 2008 #13
    They'll just fire out more of 'em if we keep showing that all we feel towards them is hatred. Also, the deserts of Iraq have enough sand.
     
  15. Feb 23, 2008 #14
    The problem with your argument is that you are connecting two separate ideas. We hate insurgents. These are not normal Iraqis, who we help. We show the Iraqi people we do not tolerate people hostile to the US, Iraqis, and the Iraqi government. We demonstrate this lack of tolerance by weeding them out and killing every last one of them if they do not decide to lay down their weapons.

    It would be nice if life were black and white, but its not. And there are people in this world that need to be eliminated; -and you cant make apologies for doing it.
     
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  16. Feb 23, 2008 #15
    I wasn't generalizing Iraqis and insurgents. How do you suggest we stop insurgents? We need to change their perspective. We can't kill every last one of them.
     
  17. Feb 23, 2008 #16
    That is the flaw in your logic. You cant change fundamentally radical people. You can only eliminate them, and hope the moderates will help and take over. The Iraqis have to stop the insurgents in their country. Its their problem more than ours.
     
  18. Feb 23, 2008 #17
    Yes it is there problem more than ours, but they're still likely to lapse back to the old ways. Also, if we continue killing relentlessly and our killing to helping ratio gets top heavy its gonna affect the regular Iraqis views. Hey I'm just a 15 year old kid, what the hell do I know.
     
  19. Feb 23, 2008 #18
    So based on your logic. We can let them 'lapse back to their old ways' killing eachother, or we can help them to kill insurgents and get on track to modern society. In what way is your solution more moral than the one that involves eliminating our enemy. (And by our, I mean Iraqis and Americans Enemy).

    One thing you will have to come to terms with in the real world is that killing our enemy is the moral thing to do.

    You're also using your words very loosely. Define 'killing relentlessly'.
     
  20. Feb 23, 2008 #19
    Killing relentlessly: searching out and destroying all insurgents (as you suggest)

    I did not suggest we teach the Iraqis to kill the insurgents, where did you figure that from? I said that we need to change the views of the insurgents, as well as helping the whole population, across sectarian boundaries.
     
  21. Feb 23, 2008 #20
    Then you are purposefully using a very poor and misleading definition to suit your position. Searching out and destroying an enemy is highly moral act, and is one that shows care and concern for innocent civilians in the process.

    I know you did not suggest we teach the Iraqis to kill the insurgents, but thats exactly what Im suggesting.

    Can you explain how you are going to change the views of the insurgents without the use of deadly force? In the real world, that will not only get you killed, but embolden the insurgents to cause even more harm to you. If you want to get your enemy to calm down, you show them that either they can be reasonable, or that you will utterly ahnilate them.

    Do you think a reasonable enemy would attack innocent civilians by blowing them up during a funeral? How are you going to talk reason into them? This is the basic problem with your logic.
     
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  22. Feb 23, 2008 #21
    Whatever, your not gonna change your mind, and I'm not gonna make you. Evo....Moonbear...Please kill this thread.
     
  23. Feb 23, 2008 #22
    Correction: Your not willing to see the world for what it is. Yes, its nice if the world were one big happy place, but sadly its not. But your line of thinking is dangerous. You might think it saves lives, but in fact it does the opposite. It gets more people killed.
     
  24. Feb 23, 2008 #23
    You misunderstand and seem to enjoy taking somewhat logical statements and blowing them out your ass. I'm done.
     
  25. Feb 23, 2008 #24
    But you avoided the question. How are you going to non-violently stop these people in a war?

    Its not easy when you apply black and white logic to the real world where everything is shades of gray.

    You cant make statements like 'relentless killing' and 'death machines' and not expect someone to hold you accountable for your statements.

    I want you to appreciate what your grandfathers and uncles did when they served in the military, or you'd be speaking German/Russian right now and killing Jews in death camps. Or you would be speaking Arabic and praising Allah 7 times a day. (And no, these are not exaggerations).
     
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  26. Feb 23, 2008 #25

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    You're sounding fairly fundamentally radical to me - shall i eliminate you?
     
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