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Stopping Distance for a Car

  1. Dec 2, 2007 #1
    How do i work out the total stopping distance for a car at 80mph given that:
    SPEED ... TOTAL STOPPING DISTANCE
    20mph ... 12m
    30mph ... 23m
    40mph ... 36m
    50mph ... 53m
    60mph ... 73m
    70mph ... 96m
    Note that mph denotes miles per hour and m metres

    The above figures are widely agreed on (as stated in the Highway Code of Great Britain), but it stops at 70mph and I must now work out the total stopping ditance at 80mph. Please give formula(e), as I am totally stumped.
    I have tried the following methods, so please tell me if any are correct (d = total stopping distance):

    1) Using the APPROXIMATION formula:
    d = (v^2 / 20) + v
    where v is velocity

    2) Using the mathematical forecast formula which I want to avoid:
    d (80mph as x in this formula ONLY) = a + bx
    where a = AVERAGEy - (b * AVERAGEx)
    and b = (SUM((x - AVERAGEx)*(y - AVERAGEy))) / (SUM((x - AVERAGEx)^2))
    using the different speeds in mph as x and the known stopping distances as y
    by SUM i mean sigma - so each value of x and y have to be subbed in

    3) Finding the average increase between each known stopping sitance, and adding it to 70mph

    4) Using t = (v - u) / a
    where t is the time taken to stop
    v is the final velocity (always 0 in this case)
    u is the starting velocity
    and a is the acceleration

    Then using AVERAGEv = (v + u) / 2
    where v is the final velocity (always 0 in this case)
    and u is the starting velocity

    And substituting the value of AVERAGEv and t in d = AVERAGEv * t

    5) Using KE = 0.5 * m * v^2
    where m is the mass of the vehicle
    and v is the starting velocity (i think it should be starting)

    And then substituting the value for kinetic energy in d = WD / f
    where WD is the work done (equal to kinetic energy i think)
    and f is the force applied to the brakes



    The best ones i think are 4 and 5 (esp. 4), but the problem is i have so many unknowns, and when i try to work my way back to get acceleration, for example, i get different values for every known stopping distance. So now i am totally stumped.

    Please help!


    Addendum:
    Hmmm... I've just had a flash of lightening but it might just be me. Using KE = 0.5 * m * v^2 it is obvious that doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy. Hence, the braking distance is quadrupled.
    This is proven in my figures as the stopping distance at 20mph is 12m, and at 40mph it is 36m (36 / 12 = 4).
    It is also kind of disproven in the figures as the stopping distance at 60mph is not quadruple 30mph (73m and 23m, respectively).
    Can any one explain why this is the case for the 60/30mph? And is my theory right?


    Final Word:
    Woohoo! I have now finally solved it. The concept introduced in the addendum is actually correct, but it applies to the BRAKING distance not the total stopping distance - which includes the thinking distance. So by multiplying the braking distance at 40mph by 4, and then finding the trend for the thinking distance (which is simple - t(n) = 3n). By taking the sum of the braking and thinking distances, i have now arrived at the total stopping distance at 80mph!
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2007
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  3. Dec 2, 2007 #2

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    Fitting the data in the table to a quadratic:

    d = .015714 v^2 + .26286 v + .60000

    or if v is in feet / second and d in feet

    29.333 39.37
    44.000 75.46
    58.667 118.11
    73.333 173.88
    88.000 239.50
    102.667 314.96

    d = .023968 x^2 + .5878 x + 1.9740

    1.9740 feet = probabaly due to ronding in the table.

    .5878 is reaction time

    braking decleration = 20.86 ft / sec^2 = .648g

    My guess is that the table assumed braking deceleration of .65 g and .6 second reaction time and rounded to the nearest meter. Most of the simplified braking distance charts assume braking deceleration of .7g and vary on reaction time. In the real world, aerydynamic drag is a factor, so deceleration isn't a constant at higher speeds, and an integral would be required. Also some cars decelerate stop much better than .7g's especially with ABS.
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2007
  4. Dec 3, 2007 #3
    Yes - the thinking time is assumed constant, so the thinking distance is linear.
     
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