# Strength of aluminium

1. Apr 18, 2009

### Colin De Bruy

Hi Guys
This is my first post. I hope someone can help. I'm building a hovercraft, the fan that lifts the hovercraft is made of pine timber and the blades are carved from the pine. The blades weigh 200grams each and are spinning at 3000rpm. Question, if a blade broke of wilst spinning at 3000rpm, how thick should I make a duct or shrould (from alumimium) to keep the blade from breaking though and hurting anyone? Many thanks Colin De Bruyn

2. Apr 18, 2009

### Ranger Mike

i do not have an empiriacl answer..but in my fuzzy way of think
i always look at things that have already been developed that i can adapt
i would look at a floor fan that has a similar weight fan blade.chances are it is made of plastic.
i would replicate the fan shroud..better yet..use a shroud from one of these commercally available fans.
this is commonly called hill billy engineering in the colonies!

3. Apr 18, 2009

### xxChrisxx

Yeah this isnt the kind of thing thats worth calculating to be honest. Figuring out show it likely to strike the shroud and all that is all a bit redundant.

This doesnt need to be precision engineering, just go industrial on it and make it uber chunky so that nothing would ever get through.

4. Apr 18, 2009

### FredGarvin

Coming from someone who has had to contain "egressing" blades, I can tell you that this is not a trivial calculation. You can take a basic approach and look at it in terms of energy, but even then, you need some tribal knowledge on energy absorption capabilities of the material, which most people don't have. Your best bet is to try to rig up some tests to actually measure what you need.

5. Apr 19, 2009

### Staff: Mentor

I agree with Ranger Mike - you won't be able to construct yourself a very good fan with that method, so you are better off spending a small amount of money buying one.

Also, where did the 3,000 rpm come from? Have you calculated the necessary fan performance based on the weight of the vehicle and its performance requirements? You may find that you need a whole lot more fan energy than you realize.

6. Apr 19, 2009

### Colin De Bruy

Thanks to all who posted. The fan was built by Universal Hovercraft it's purpose built for a small hovercraft designed for kids to ride on. The fan is driven by a 5hp petrol motor which has a top rpm of 3000 rpm. I doubt the engine will get to this rpm with the fan attached but at 3000rpm the tip of the fan is doing 339km per hour or 210 mph and the inner root of the blade is doing 169km or 105mph. So does anyone know how much energy a 200gram pine blade has at this speed? Many thanks Colin

7. Apr 20, 2009

### ericgrau

Impact problems are fairly complicated. I'd just make the protection at least as strong as the original hovercraft or other existing hovercrafts.

8. Apr 21, 2009

### minger

If you can find the paper, check out "Missing Firing Tests at Stationary Targets in Support of Blade Containment Design", by J.I. Goatham and R.M. Steward in the Journal of Engineering of Power. April 1976, vol. 159. It's something that I've used to calculate containment properties. The paper describes what is referred to as "Just-Constrained Energy", which is the theoretical energy that the shell can withstand before failure. It is defined as (knowing apparently that laxtex is down):
$$E_c = 16 A t S_{ut} e$$
Where A is the area of impact (going to be hard to quantify); t is the thickness of the shell; $$S_{ut}$$ is the ultimate strength of the material, and e is the elongation at failure.

This can get you in the area, but if I were you and really wanted to design this from scratch, know that for a man-rated vehicle such as a hovercraft, you want to put a HUGE factor of safety on it.

You can also look at containment rings for gas turbine engines.