Derivatives of Exponential Cosine Function

In summary, the conversation is about finding the first and second derivative of a given equation and then using it to prove a relationship between two variables. The process involves using substitutions and simplifying the equations. Despite some initial difficulty, the problem was eventually solved.
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mitch_1211
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Homework Statement



i need to find the first and second of derivative of this
θ(t) = A exp−λt cos(ωt) with (-lambda*t) being the power of exp

in order to substitute into here
I(theta) = −μθ(1st deriv of theta) + γθ(2nd deriv of theta)

and then prove that
λ = −γ/2I

Homework Equations


θ(t) = A exp−λt cos(ωt)


The Attempt at a Solution



have tried deriving with wolfram alpha myself and have gotten very stuck:

1st deriv : http://www3.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP625719eec443gegicdc800005bha4ii759c7g9d9?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=42&w=342&h=36

2nd deriv: http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP809419eebe57538ah30200004hbcc464i71a2h1h?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=11&w=270&h=61

with l representing lambda.

any help would be much appreciated!

Regards,
Mitch
 
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This looks like a book keeping nightmare. The first derivative is pretty straight forward. I would start by letting U=-lambda*t*Cos(w*t) determine dU/dt. d(theta)/dt=d(theta)/dU*dU/dt. Make the same U substitution for the second derivative. It looks like it will get messy.
 
  • #3
RTW69 said:
This looks like a book keeping nightmare. The first derivative is pretty straight forward. I would start by letting U=-lambda*t*Cos(w*t) determine dU/dt. d(theta)/dt=d(theta)/dU*dU/dt. Make the same U substitution for the second derivative. It looks like it will get messy.

very very messy...
this is my first lab for 2nd year uni physics. oh what joy lays ahead :P no it should be fine, this is one of the harder labs.

thanks for you advice!

mitch
 
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What do μθ and γθ represent ?
 
  • #5
SammyS said:
What do μθ and γθ represent ?

thanks for trying to help Sammy, I have since solved the problem. By letting each sin and cos equal zero, they can be eliminated and the equation will still hold. It's hard to explain here, but it worked out well.
 

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