Homework Help: Subspace, span

1. Mar 8, 2008

karnten07

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

For each s $$\in$$R determine whether the vector y is in the subspace of R^4 spanned by the columns of A where

y=
6
7
1
s

and A =

1 3 2
-1 -1 1
3 8 1
4 9 3

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

Can i do this by making an augmented matrix from A and y and then reducing it, then i can see what value of s is required? i will attemp this and update with what i get soon.

2. Mar 8, 2008

karnten07

Okay, so i get my reduced row form as:

1 3 2 6
0 1 3 13
0 0 1 2
0 0 0 s+7

so does this tell me that s must be -7?

So would i say that for s = -7, the vector y is in the subspace of R^4 and for s $$\neq$$-7 it is not in the subspace? Is this all that is required? Do i need to show that the vector y with s =-7 is closed under additon and scalar multiplication, if so i may need help showing this. Many thanks

3. Mar 8, 2008

HallsofIvy

Yes, that's all you need to show.

You don't need "to show that the vector y with s =-7 is closed under additon and scalar multiplication"- that doesn't even make sense! A vector is never closed under addition and scalar multiplication- a subspace is. An the "span" of a set of vectors, including the three vectors (not y) given here is, by definition, all possible sums of scalar products of the vectors and so is closed under addition and scalar multiplication.

You could have done this directly from the definition of "span": y is in the span if and only if it is equal to a linear combination of them: that (6, 7 , 1, s)= a(1, -1, 3, 4)+ b(3, -1, 8, 9)+ c(2, 1, 1, 3) for some values of a, b, c. Of course, that gives you 4 equations to solve: a+ 3b+ 2c= 6, -a- b+ c= 7, 3a+ 8b+ 3c= 1, and 4a+ 9b+ 3c= s and solving that system is exactly the same as reducing the augmented matrix you have.

4. Mar 8, 2008

karnten07

Thats great, thanks HallsofIvy.

5. Apr 3, 2009

squenshl

I have a problem.
Suppose that {u1,u2,...,um} are vectors of R^n. Prove, directly that span
{u1,u2,...,um} is a subspace of R^n.

6. Apr 3, 2009

HallsofIvy

Since this is a separate problem, start a separate thread. The "New Topic" button is just above the list of threads.