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Subspaces of TCPn THPn

  1. Apr 18, 2012 #1

    I have the following statements in a script on Riemannian submersions:

    ([itex]\pi[/itex] is the submersion [itex]\mathbb S^{2n+1} \rightarrow \mathbb{CP}^n[/itex] or [itex]\mathbb S^{4n+3} \rightarrow \mathbb{HP}^n[/itex] respectively.)

    Regarding a) it is then said: "Let [itex]w \in T\mathbb{CP}^n, \lambda \in \mathbb C[/itex]. Let [itex]\bar w[/itex] be a horizontal lift of [itex]w[/itex]. Define [itex]\lambda w := \pi_*(\lambda \bar w)[/itex]. It is easily checked that this is well-defined."

    I thought this was pretty clear. But then in b) they say:

    "Let [itex]w \in T\mathbb{HP}^n[/itex], let [itex]\bar w[/itex] be a horizontal lift of w. Define [itex]w\mathbb H := \pi_*(\bar w\mathbb H)[/itex]. It is also easily checked that this is well-defined.

    Warning: For [itex]\lambda \in \mathbb H[/itex] we cannot set [itex]w\lambda := \pi_*(\bar w\lambda)[/itex] as this is not well-defined."

    Now I don't see why exactly the last part is not well-defined. I thought the horizontal lift is unique, therefore [itex]\bar w \lambda[/itex] would be unique and [itex]\pi_*(\bar w\lambda)[/itex] as well.

    Or maybe I just don't understand what well-defined means in either case, and why exactly this definition would be viable in a) but not in b).

    I'd be very grateful if someone could help me understand this.
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  3. Apr 18, 2012 #2


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    The horizontal lift is unique only once a point in the fiber has been chosen.

    That is, if p:M--N is a riemannian submersion and y is a point in N with v in TyN a tg vector at y, then to lift v, we need first to chose a point x in p-1(y), and then the horizontal lift of v to TxM is unique.

    So they appear to be saying that for complex lambda, [itex]\pi_*(\lambda\overline{w})[/itex] is actually independant of the choice of x to lift too, but not in the case of quaternionic lambda.

    But I don't even know what they mean by [itex]\lambda \overline{w}[/itex] in the complex case. Because the tg space of S^{2n+1}, being of odd dimension, cannot support a complex vector space structure...
  4. Apr 19, 2012 #3
    Wow, I completely ignored the fact that you first have to choose a point in the fiber in order to make the horizontal lift unique...

    You're right that [itex]T_p\mathbb S^{2n+1}[/itex] does not carry a complex vector space structure, but the horizontal subspace [itex]T_p^h\mathbb S^{2n+1} = (p\mathbb C)^\perp \cap \mathbb C^{n+1}[/itex] does, and this is enough for this purpose.

    Now I'm trying to see exactly why the multiplication is well-defined in a) and not in b).

    Ok, I managed to construct a fairly complicated proof for a) but I hope there is an easier way:

    I want to give a presentation on this next week and I wouldn't want to make a fool of myself by proving something obvious in such a difficult way.

    Do you happen to see if this can be proven much more quickly?
  5. Apr 20, 2012 #4


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    If by "much more quickly" you mean without the need to compute, then I think I do! And as a bonus, we understand what fails in the quaternionic case.

    First, a bit of notations. If a group G acts by riemannian isometries on (M,g), write [itex]\pi:M\rightarrow M/G[/itex] for the corresponding riemannian submersion, and write [itex]\theta_g:M\rightarrow M[/itex] for the map [itex]p\mapsto g\cdot p[/itex]. Then [itex]\pi=\pi\circ \theta_g[/itex] for any g. Differentiating this relation gives [itex]\pi_*=\pi_*\circ (\theta_g)_*[/itex]. Since [itex](\theta_g)_*[/itex] is an isometric isomorphism, it preverses the horizontal and vertical subspaces. In particular, let p and q=gp be two points of M in the same G-orbit, let [itex]w\in T_{[p]}(M/G)[/itex], and let [itex]\mathrm{Hor}_p(w)[/itex], [itex]\mathrm{Hor}_q(w)[/itex] be the corresponding horizontal lifts of w above p and above q respectively. Then, [itex](\theta_g)_*(\mathrm{Hor}_p(w))=\mathrm{Hor}_q(w)[/itex].

    Now, in the case that interests us, M=S2n+1, G=S1, M/G=CPn, and for a given p in S2n+1, TpS2n+1 is naturally identified with [itex]p^{\perp}\subset\mathbb{C}^{n+1}[/itex]. With this identification, [itex]V_pS^{2n+1} = \mathrm{Ker}(\pi_*)=T_p(S^1\cdot p) [/itex] is then naturally identified with [itex]\mathbb{R}ip[/itex], and so [itex]H_pS^{2n+1}=(V_pS^{2n+1})^{\perp}[/itex] is then naturally identified with [itex](ip)^{\perp}\cap p^{\perp}=\{p,ip\}^{\perp}[/itex]. As you noted, this is naturally a complex subspace of [itex]\mathbb{C}^{n+1}[/itex]. Moreover, if q=up for some u in S1 are two points in the same orbit, then I hold that [itex](\theta_u)_*:\{p,ip\}^{\perp}\rightarrow \{q,iq\}^{\perp}[/itex] is just the map multiplication by u itself. To see this is the same trick that I explained to you in an earlier post: extend [itex]\theta_u[/itex] to a map Cn+1-->Cn+1. This is linear, so its derivative is just itself: multiplication by u. Now restrict back to the subspaces that interest you and you get that [itex](\theta_u)_*:\{p,ip\}^{\perp}\rightarrow \{q,iq\}^{\perp}[/itex] is the map [itex]\mathbf{v}\mapsto u\mathbf{v}[/itex]. In particular, it is a C-linear isomorphism: for any [itex]\lambda\in\mathbb{C}[/itex], [itex](\theta_u)_*(\lambda \mathbf{v})=u\lambda \mathbf{v}=\lambda u\mathbf{v}=\lambda (\theta_u)_*(\mathbf{v})[/itex]. This is why it makes sense to define a complex structure on CPn by setting [itex]\lambda w:=\pi_*(\lambda\mathrm{Hor}_p(w))[/itex]. Indeed, we have [itex]\pi_*(\lambda\mathrm{Hor}_q(w))=\pi_*(\lambda (\theta_u)_*(\mathrm{Hor}_p(w)))=\pi_*( (\theta_u)_*(\lambda\mathrm{Hor}_p(w)))=\pi_*( \lambda \mathrm{Hor}_p(w))[/itex].

    Notice from the above computation that the C-linearity of [itex](\theta_g)_*[/itex] is equivalent to the commutativity of the multiplication in C. So this is what fails in the quaternionic case! However, given any [itex]u\in S^3\subset \mathbb{H}[/itex] and any [itex]\lambda \in \mathbb{H}[/itex], there exists [itex]\mu \in \mathbb{H}[/itex] such that [itex](\theta_u)_*(\lambda \mathbf{v})=u\lambda \mathbf{v}=\mu u\mathbf{v}=\mu (\theta_u)_*(\mathbf{v})[/itex]. So while it does not make sense to define [itex]\lambda w:=\pi_*(\lambda\mathrm{Hor}_p(w))[/itex] in the quaternionic case, it does make sense to speak of [itex]\mathbb{H}w[/itex] as [itex]\pi_*(\mathbb{H}\mathrm{Hor}_p(w))[/itex] for any p.
  6. Apr 20, 2012 #5
    Wow, thank you, this helps me tremendously! This is clearly a much better and more insightful way of approaching this.
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