# Superposition of waves

1. Sep 25, 2005

### hotmail590

How do I find the sum of these 2 waves, Asin(kx-wt) and Asin(kx+wt)?

I have no clue how to add 2 sins with diffent phases.

2. Sep 25, 2005

### robphy

Can you re-express sin(kx+wt) using a trig identity?

3. Sep 26, 2005

### hotmail590

Humm would I use this identity sin(A + B)= sinA cosB + cosA sinB

so Asin(kx-wt) = -AsinkxAcoswt -AcoskxAsinwt
Asin(kx+wt) = AsinkxAcoswt +AcoskxAsinwt

But wouldnt that equal to zero?

4. Sep 26, 2005

### robphy

Check your use of it. Check the signs you wrote down.

5. Sep 26, 2005

### hotmail590

oh i saw where i made my mistake

Now after I get that how would I find the

ye(x), called the envelope, depends only on position

and yt(x) depends only on time

yt(x) should be a trigonometric function of unit amplitude.

I need to express ye(x) and yt(x) in terms of A k omega x and t.

Is there partial derviative involved?

Last edited: Sep 26, 2005
6. Sep 27, 2005

### hotmail590

7. Sep 28, 2005

### Galileo

Look at the function and see what it means. You've seperated the time and position variables. You could view the motion of each point as a function of time as an harmonic oscillator. (Some points don't move at all). Plot the function to see what it looks like. If you get some insight in the equation, the questions are very easy.

8. Sep 28, 2005

### hotmail590

After finding the superposition forumla for Asin(kx-wt) and Asin(kx+wt), which is 2Asin(kx)cos(wt), How do I tell which direction is the wave traveling?

9. Sep 28, 2005

### robphy

Plot your superposed function for t=0. Notice where the x-positions of the peaks are.
Plot your superposed function for (say) t=0.01. Notice where the x-positions of the peaks are now.
Which way did it shift? If 0.01 is too complicated, try t=(1/12)*(2*pi/w).
If it's not clear, try doubling the value of t you just used.

10. Sep 28, 2005

### hotmail590

Humm from what i see, it seems that the wave its moving vertically, oscillating. Is that correct? I am not too sure how to graph these.

I graphed sin(x)cos(0.01) and then sin(x)cos((1/12)*(2pi))

11. Sep 28, 2005

### robphy

Presumably, you understand the meaning of "which way the sin(kx-wt) part travels"... and likewise for the sin(kx+wt). It can be seen as the direction along the x-axis of the motion of a peak. Apply the same reasoning to the superposed wave. You've practically got it... You just have to give the answer in the form stated above.

The second expression is easy to plot a graph of
"amplitude sin(x)cos((1/12)*(2pi)) [at time (1/12)*(2pi)] vs position x".
Can you numerically evaluate cos((1/12)*(2pi)), where pi=$\pi$.