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Homework Help: Surface area

  1. Aug 15, 2011 #1
    Hi there, I have to compute the surface area for
    [tex]V:\{ -2(x+y)\leq{}z\leq{}4-x^2-y^2 \}[/tex]

    I have a problem on finding the surface area for the paraboloid limited by the plane. I've parametrized the plane in polar coordinates, I thought it would be easier this way, but also tried in cartesian coordinates with the same result. The problem I have is to set the limits of integration on such a way that determines the area of the paraboloid limited by the plane.

    So the paraboloid is parametrized by:

    [tex]x=r\sin \theta,y=r \cos \theta,z=4-r^2[/tex]

    Then [tex]T_r=( \sin \theta, \cos \theta,-2r);T_{\theta}=(r\cos\theta,-r\sin\theta,0)[/tex]
    [tex]T_r \times T_{\theta}=(-2r^2\sin^2 \theta,-2r^2\cos^2\theta,-r)[/tex]
    [tex]||T_r \times T_{\theta}||=\sqrt[ ]{4r^4+r^2}[/tex]

    Now the surface area is determined by: [tex]\displaystyle\int_{D} ||T_r \times T_{\theta}||drd\theta[/tex]
    Now D is the region inside the disc determined by the intersection of the surfaces. So D:
    [tex]-2x-2y=4-x^2-y^2\rightarrow (x-1)^2+(y-1)^2=6[/tex]

    And this is my region of integration for my paraboloid. Now it doesn't seem so easy to express the region for the parametrization I choose.

    So I'm trying to solve this in cartesian coordinates, this is the integral for the surface in cartesian coord:

    [tex]\displaystyle\int_{1-\sqrt[ ]{6}}^{1+\sqrt[ ]{6}}\int_{-\sqrt[ ]{6-(x-1)^2}+1}^{\sqrt[ ]{6-(x-1)^2}+1} \sqrt[ ]{4x^2+4y^2+1} dydx[/tex]

    But this integral isn't so easy to solve. I tried to go from here to cylindrical coordinates, using the substitution [tex]x=1+r\cos\theta,y=1+r\sin\theta[/tex] that helps a bit with the limits of integration.

    Then I get: [tex]\displaystyle\int_{1-\sqrt[ ]{6}}^{1+\sqrt[ ]{6}}\int_{-\sqrt[ ]{6-(x-1)^2}+1}^{\sqrt[ ]{6-(x-1)^2}+1} \sqrt[ ]{4x^2+4y^2+1} dydx=\displaystyle\int_{0}^{\sqrt[ ]{6}}\int_{0}^{2\pi}r\sqrt[ ]{16+8r\cos\theta+8r\sin\theta+4r^2}d\theta dr[/tex]

    Thats the best expression I get, but still too complicated to integrate by hand.
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2011
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  3. Aug 23, 2011 #2

    tiny-tim

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    Hi Telemachus! :smile:

    You're trying to use a ∫∫

    It would be simpler to use a single ∫, over z …

    just ask yourself how large the arc-angle is at each height z. :wink:
     
  4. Aug 28, 2011 #3
    Sorry, didn't get it, could you write the expression? you mean using something like a surface of revolution?

    Thanks Tim.
     
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