# Surface tension_controversy

1. Nov 15, 2008

### i_island0

We know about capillary rise. And we say that meniscus is hemispherical in shape.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63184961@N00/3030969897/

There i am mentioning two points where the pressure is indicated as P1 and P2.
I am also mentioning two other points 1' and 2'. the pressure there is atmospheric (Po).
Are these pressure P1 and P2 same or different.
If same, then pressure P1' and p2' will be different owing to different heights h1 and h2. But we know that P1' = Po and P2' = Po.
If different, then how can the shape of meniscus be hemispherical. It must be flat then.
Where am i going wrong??

2. Nov 15, 2008

### Mapes

The flaw in your reasoning lies here. I suspect you are calculating P1' and P2' by using an equation that neglects surface tension? If so, you're ignoring the effect that you want to study.

3. Nov 15, 2008

### i_island0

Surface tension is a surface phenomenon. So when i am inside the liquid, surface tension has no role to play.
I am using P = Po + dgh (d: density of liquid) to find the pressure. So where is the flaw?

4. Nov 15, 2008

### Mapes

Sure it does. Any portion of the liquid will move to reduce the total energy of the system; this is the meaning of equilibrium. Surface energy affects the entire system.

Your equation for pressure only includes potential energy changes related to gravity, not surface tension, so it predicts a flow from 2' to 1' because of a pressure difference. It neglects the fact that this flow would rearrange the surface profile to be flatter, which would result in a net energy penalty.

5. Nov 15, 2008

### i_island0

So can you please tell me what should be the correct equation then. As i m really confused about all this.

6. Nov 15, 2008

### Mapes

Analytically, the meniscus shape looks like a problem for variation calculus: find the curve that minimizes total system energy. There may be some literature out there on this problem, but I don't know. You could also solve it numerically through simulation. Hopefully someone with more fluids experience can weigh in.

7. Nov 15, 2008

### i_island0

thx.. i wish some one can reply on this. AS far as i understand, the curvature of meniscus should not be hemispherical.