Surface with prescribed metric

So, you get a surface with the same metric.In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a Riemannian metric in R^2 and whether there exists a surface S, embedded in R^3, with a metric that coincides with the given metric. The conversation also touches upon finding a conformally equivalent metric and the possibility of obtaining a surface with the same metric.
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KarstenKarsten
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Consider a Riemannian metric in R^2, e.g. consider g given at a point (x,y) by the matrix
(1 x
x 1+x^2 )

Is there a surface S, embedded in R^3, which has the property that the metric on S which is induced by the Euclidean metric of R^3 coincides with the given metric g? If yes, what representation does S possess?
 
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This isn't HW, is it?

Hi, KarstenKarsten,

KarstenKarsten said:
Consider a Riemannian metric in [itex]R^2[/itex], e.g. consider g given at a point [itex](x,y)[/itex] by the matrix
[tex]\left[ \begin{matrix} 1 & x \\ x & 1+x^2 \end{matrix} \right] [/tex]

Is there a surface S, embedded in [itex]R^3[/itex], which has the property that the metric on S which is induced by the Euclidean metric of [tex]R^3[/tex] coincides with the given metric g? If yes, what representation does S possess?

Sounds like you are asking for an embedded surface in E^3 which has the stated metric. A good keyword to look up in a good differential geometry textbook should be "Monge patch" or "embedding". In any case, the idea is simple: write down an undetermined basis (two vectors in E^3) for the tangent space to some point of S, form their E^3 inner product, and compare with the desired induced metric on S. See "Coordinate tutorial" at http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/group.html for some radially symmetric examples.
 
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Chris Hillman said:
Hi, KarstenKarsten,
Sounds like you are asking for an embedded surface in E^3 ...

It looks like it is not embedded surface in E^3 (3D Euclidian space). If the surface is given to us in the form z = f(x, y), then the metric induced on the surface is

[tex]g_{1,1} = 1 +f_{x}^{2}, g_{1,2}=g_{2,1} = f_{x} f_{y}, g_{2,2} = 1 + f_{y}^{2}[/tex].

In Karsten case
[tex]g_{1,1} = 1 , g_{1,2}=g_{2,1} = x, g_{2,2} = 1 + x^{2}[/tex].

That means [tex]f_{x} =0[/tex] and should be [tex]g_{1,2}=g_{2,1} = 0[/tex].
Hence, the surface is embedded in some noneucleadian 3D space.
 
  • #4
Thanks!

I realize now that, at least, one can find a conformally equivalent metric
g~_{ij} = c(x) g_{ij}
with c(x) the solution of c(x)^2-c(x)(2+x^2) +1=0. And with g~ be metric of a in E^3 embedded surface. The components of g~ can then also be computed (and are slightly more complicated terms).
 
  • #5
Right, you don't need a noneuclidean embedding space.
 
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For me, it would somehow be counterintuitive that such an embedded surface should not exist.
But can I obtain from the surface with the conformally equivalent metric a surface which actually has the very same metric I started with? How?
(In the very beginning I started with the ansatz, as gvk proposed, of course...)
 
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The Riemannian tensor for your metric is [tex]R_{1,2,1,2}=-1[/tex]. That means your embedded 2D manifold has constant negative curvature. Of course, you always can orthogonize your metric to get conformal presentation in isothermal coords.
 
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1. What is a "surface with prescribed metric"?

A surface with prescribed metric is a mathematical concept that refers to a 2-dimensional surface (such as a sphere or a plane) where the distances between points are already determined or "prescribed". This means that the surface is already equipped with a specific metric, or way of measuring distances between points, and cannot be changed.

2. How is a surface with prescribed metric different from a regular surface?

A regular surface does not have a predefined metric and the distances between points can vary. However, a surface with prescribed metric has a fixed metric that cannot be changed. This means that the distances between points on a surface with prescribed metric are always the same, regardless of how the surface is deformed or distorted.

3. What are some real-world examples of surfaces with prescribed metric?

Some common examples of surfaces with prescribed metric are the Earth's surface (which has a curvature determined by the radius of the Earth), a flat piece of paper (which has a Euclidean metric), and a sphere (which has a metric determined by its radius and curvature).

4. How are surfaces with prescribed metric used in science?

Surfaces with prescribed metric are used in various fields of science, such as differential geometry, physics, and computer graphics. They provide a useful mathematical framework for understanding and modeling curved surfaces, which are often encountered in nature and in man-made designs.

5. Can surfaces with prescribed metric be applied to higher dimensions?

Yes, the concept of surfaces with prescribed metric can be extended to higher dimensions. In 3-dimensional space, for example, we can have "hypersurfaces" with prescribed metric, which are 3-dimensional surfaces with fixed distances between points. In fact, many theories and equations in physics, such as Einstein's theory of general relativity, involve higher-dimensional surfaces with prescribed metric.

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