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SUV Hatred Why?

  1. May 22, 2004 #1
    I don't get why almost everyone dislikes Sport Utility Vehicles so much.

    It's always the same reason - usually misinformed.

    The most common is that they are bad for the environment and that the gas mileage is horrible. 2 Hybrid SUVs are about to become available to consumers, one this summer and the other in January, so the gas problem is being solved. Right now, the compact SUVs like CR-V, Forester and RAV4 gas mileage isn't bad at all. Plus, a lot of environmentalists drive SUVs. At least park rangers have (for years), and so have zoologists and wildlife technicians. They don't seem to have a problem with them. Diesel sedans do harm to the environment too, but people use them because of great gas mileage. Kind of the double standard, considering they don't complain when they benefit.

    The next reason is usually safety. I agree, SUVs are dangerous - to the driver of the other car getting hit. According to the IIHS, Sport Utility Vehicles fare better in collisions than sedans, statistically there less deaths in a SUV. An SUV is also perfectly safe to drive, despite the "roll-over theory". 77% of deaths in roll-overs are because the driver didn't have his safety belt on and suffered head/neck injuries or was ejected. Over 85% of injuries were caused by drivers that didn't have seat-belts on. So SUVs are safe in collisions and daily driving if you take the steps to strap up. Most Sports Utility Vehicles have side-curtain airbags available too.

    These statistics come from GM and IIHS.

    So...why does everyone complain about sports utility vehicles? When the Ford Escape Hybrid or Toyota Highlander Hybrid become available, no other car will have the cargo room, passenger capacity, off-road capability and safety equal to one of those hybrids...with the environmental and gas mileage problems eliminated.

    Just wondering why so many people dislike SUVs...

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  3. May 22, 2004 #2
    A CR-V is completely different form a Ford Excursion. Park Rangers have valid reasons to drive them. Starbucks sippers don't. A lot of the reasons for disliking SUVs also apply to large pick-up trucks.

    You could say the same of a tank. I'm glad to hear that you aren't concerned for anyone else's safety. The vehicles also are slower to stop, so you are more likely to hit another car or a pedestrian.

    23% is still a lot.

    How many SUV drivers need all that passenger space or ever, ever go off-road? Not many. Cargo room is only needed when moving. Then you can get a Ryder truck.

    However good gas mileage is in a large, hybrid SUV, it would be better in a smaller hybrid vehicle.

    There's also the increased cost of road maintenance that larger vehicles bring.
  4. May 22, 2004 #3


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    SUV's are a hazard to everyone else on the road -- their size, mass, and poor acceleration and braking endanger everyone. They're also just about completely pointless for most people. Most of the people I know who drive SUV's rarely (if ever) actually use their features -- off-road ability and cargo space. Park rangers and people who live in Alaska should definitely have SUV's. People with no kids and no gear-intensive hobbies whose commutes are all interstate just have no need for the SUV.

    Having worked on the ZEburban, a zero-emission, hybrid-electric fuel-cell powered version of the Suburban, I can tell you the challenges to make a safe and environmentally-friendly SUV are daunting -- nigh impossible. Most people would realistically be just as well off with a sedan.

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  5. May 22, 2004 #4
    Unnecessarily large vehicles unnecessarily obstruct everyone's vision on the road.

    Tests here show that they roll more easily.

    And that stuff Chroot said. Greater mass = reduced handling.
  6. May 22, 2004 #5
    It will be solved when those Hybrid Cars are actually used. But I've got the impression that they're mostly Detroit Motor Show prestige objects. Big cars and electric motors don't fit together well.

    I've never seen a hybrid car on European roads, and, with all respect, I don't believe that you Americans will figure as the world's hybrid pioneers :wink:

    Well, SUV's are indeed built for that purpose, not? I don't see how this would be an argument for using them in town.
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    There are hybrid public transportation busses in Europe, I'm sure there are some hybrid cars too. I don't like SUVs either, they are starting to catch on in Europe which is totally stupid. I've seen SUVs become useful for a commute from work to home though. That was when a blizzard hit the area and all the sedans were sliding off the roads, with the weels searching for grip, getting stuck in the slow, while the SUVs were able to at least still have some control over the car.
  8. May 22, 2004 #7
    SUVs sux. Freaky SUV drivers make the regular car drivers fear them... If they will do that then I will get a 18 wheeler to drive around when I grow up. Or a Panzer.
  9. May 22, 2004 #8
    Many people drive SUV's because they feel more secure in it. The seats are higher, and the car feels as heavy as some freakin' warship, the suspension is smooth like a baby popo. But then I have to say: someone who doesn't feel secure in a normal car should not drive at all, should he?!
  10. May 22, 2004 #9
    Both SUVs. The difference is that one is a compact and the other a full-size.

    You need to tow more stuff or carry more than 5 people - the excursion is the favorable car.

    The "Starbuck sippers" theory is so biased. 85% of Americans driving the cars they have right now, do not need that amount of HP or half the features in there. By your logic, nobody needs anything over a 4-cylinder engine. But you know why they have all that stuff they don't need? For enjoyment purposes.

    Illogical comparison.

    Tanks are never driven on the road and are for military use. SUVs have there place on the road - even the Police use them now.

    That would be the driver's fault, not the cars.

    And my SUV with ABS brakes stops perfectly fine.

    Not as much as many of you make it out to be. Especially considering that an SUV is overall safer than a car in collisions.

    Most SUV drivers go to fast or take tight turns too quickly so the car flips. That's not the way to drive an SUV.

    How many people actually go the 150MPH, 170MPH, or 200MPH on there speedometer?

    Tests here show that they are still safer than sedans during accidents.

    I can prevent my SUV from rolling over - all the SUV drivers I know have never flipped. We can't avoid accidents though, but it is good to know we'll fare better.


    Ford begun testing awhile ago, and the SUV will be released during this summer.

    Of course not - Americans are biased. This coming from a Canadian.

    They always say, "SUV drivers don't need all those features", yet this comes from drivers with speedometers that reach 160MPH, with a 6-CD changer and audiophile package, and moon-roof. Do they need all of that?

    Jeeps/Hummers were, and Land Rovers at a time.

    However, SUVs such as the Escape, Explorer, Excursion, CR-V, RAV4 wouldn't fair well off-road.

    In fact, the only companies that build SUVs for those above purposes are Jeep and Land Rover, and Hummers in the American Military.

    Exporers and Trail Blazers are used in the Police force.

    Yeah, be sure to get a license for that so I won't have to call the Cops.

    And unlike many say, SUVs handle pretty well. At least the new ones from Nissan/Infiniti and Porsche.

    They are also safer since you have a better (more commanding) view of the road. Like you mentioned, a huge reason why people love driving SUVs.

    They also have lots of cool stuff in them like a collection of cup holders, great sound systems, DVD players and other cool gadgets.
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  11. May 22, 2004 #10
    It's really very simple. The heavier a vehicle is, the more effort is required to stop, start, or turn it. The higher the centre of gravity, the more prone it is to rolling. The higher the body, the more likely it is to smash over and through the cabin section of lower cars. The argument "I have no trouble handling an SUV" doesn't mean a thing.

    However, since you SUV fans won't believe it, here are some things about SUV tests:

  12. May 22, 2004 #11

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    Clearly they don't. That's the problem.

    It is sweet justice to see that SUVs and large PU trucks are now sitting in used car lots on consignment - the owners trying to escape the rising gas prices - with no one willing to buy them.

    HA! HA! HA!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

    ...and everything that Chroot said.
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    the biggest problem i have with SUV's,-Fords to be specific- is that when one pulls up behind me in my Golf the headlights shine right into my car and into my rear view mirror taking away from my visability in general at night. compact SUV's, such as the RAV-4 (i used to own one) are a great compromise for those who want to have a better view of the road, but wish to maintain costs on a vehicle. gas, tires, parts and insurance are much more expensive for a large full size SUV if you use it to just commute. if you are an outdoors person who frequents rocky roads often, then it makes sense. people driving them in the city and suburbs are owning one more for the status of it over the practical purposes of it.
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    yes, i have noticed many on the used lots lately...i didn't think of it being because of the rising gas prices. for my VW, it costs $25.00 to fill up, and for the SUVs I can only imagine how expensive it is.
  15. May 22, 2004 #14
    Then get special rear-view mirros that don't reflect light. I have one...in my SUV.

    Aaaah, another great safety feature!

    The article you linked us to provides no new information. And it doesn't mention that the fatality rate is due to people not taking safety precautions. It's based on how much of a danger it is to small cars. Well too bad for them - don't drive a small car.

    Okay, and what does this have to do with the safety of the driver of the SUV? He stays safe - the other guy doesn't. Sucks to be the other guy.

    Again, nothing to do with safety problems of SUVs. The driver of one is still perfectly safe.

    Yeah, there are also indications that state SUVs are safer than Sedans.

    Again, nothing to do with an SUV being unsafe. It basically claims the bigger the SUV, the safer the driver. The lighter the car - the more unsafe it is.

    This isn't groundbreaking news.

    Oh, the "roll-over" threat again. Like NBC Dateline (and GMC) said - don't take tight turns like you're driving a Porsche, and buckle-up...you'll be just fine.

    Especially now that Volvos and other SUVs have roll-over protection and side-curtains.

    Your other 2 articles:

    The first one says nothing about SUVs being unsafe. It says it's unsafe to smaller cars. This has what to do with the driver of the SUV? Is he unsafe?

    The 2nd one forgets to state that the IIHS claims that there tests are at a disadvantage to SUVs.

    Instead of being in the used car lot, they are looking at Escalades and Hummer H2's at the local GM dealer.

    Or they may simply enjoy the height, comfort, and spaciousness of an SUV as well as the other conviences found in full-size ones like DVD players, GPS, and killer stereo systems.
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  16. May 22, 2004 #15


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    A mirror that doesn't refect light? :uhh:
  17. May 22, 2004 #16

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    New rule: No one who drives an SUV is allowed to complain about smokers.

    Remember, "Jesus wouldn't drive an SUV". :biggrin:
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    Thus the need for regulation.
  19. May 22, 2004 #18
    ... into your eyes
    but most rvm have a nite setting, that will do that

    I do not like the headlite hight on SUV/pickups and the fact that most SUV drivers
    run hi-beams into oncomming trafic localy

    but if you drive a SUV alone you ride with ben lauden

    we need a road use tax hike based on weight to tax big SUV's off the road
    for private use of over weight SUVs
  20. May 22, 2004 #19
    Has there ever been a study about wear-and-tear on roads as it relates to vehicle weight?
  21. May 22, 2004 #20
    I meant it doesn't glare or like it said previously, it doesn't reflect the light into your eyes. Most dim the light.

    You press a button, the mirror then turns light blue and there is no more glare.

    Standard on a lot of mid-size SUVs.


    I don't. I have no problem with smokers.

    I do have a problem with people who litter. Much worse for the enviroment than an SUV, considering it is needless. SUVs are again...useful.

    Especially to aholes who cut me off. I turn on the extra power lights to maximum, the switch on my fog lights. :biggrin:

    No, lots of people love riding SUVs alone. Tall people especially love driving SUVs.
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