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Sweet Article in Counterpunch

  1. Is the Bush admin in denial?

    16.7%
  2. We just don’t understand the facts; the situation is a lot better than we are being lead to believe?

    50.0%
  3. The situation is much worse than we are being lead to believe?

    50.0%
  4. The Bush admin is not in denial?

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  1. Apr 27, 2004 #1

    amp

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    People Resist Conquest and Occupation
    The Empire in Denial and the Denial of Empire
    By SAUL LANDAU

    here : http://www.counterpunch.org/landau04272004.html
     
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  3. Apr 27, 2004 #2
    The people who are resisting the liberation of Iraq are gradually being eliminated. We will prevail in the end.
     
  4. Apr 27, 2004 #3

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    Well in light of the news being reported by other than US media, I wonder who will be the majority of the population.

    1. American

    2. Iraq native

    3. US mercenary

    4. Non-Iraq Arab
     
  5. Apr 27, 2004 #4
    the "liberation of iraq"......)=($"#!(!....lemme clear out of the politics and world affairs forum, else i'll probably be kicked out.
     
  6. Apr 27, 2004 #5
    So, you suggest the "elimination" of half the population, give or take? Wow, that's freedom, alright, after you murder anyone who disagrees.
     
  7. Apr 27, 2004 #6
    There doesn't seem to be a general consistent perspective on the situation coming from the Administration- Cheney says one thing, GWB says another, and they change their stories like clockwork. "Freedom" & "Democracy" are just words (to them) used to coerce people like us into believing that it's OK to go git the Bad guys, even when that means murdering thousands of civilians, and when the real purpose is to loot their oil, loot the treasury and replace the Republic here at home with Tyranny.
    The ironic thing is that the army in Iraq is not allowed to hoist the flag; war was never declared; victory was just propaganda. The fact is that liberation is over, occupation is on for a long time, and it's going to continue to be Israeli style prison camp. It's just reprehensible that the House will not start impeachment hearings.
     
  8. Apr 27, 2004 #7
    so 50% are resisting the liberation of Iraq?? please show me this.
     
  9. Apr 28, 2004 #8
    What are you talking about? Where did all this come from? Are you on crack?
     
  10. Apr 28, 2004 #9

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    What a crock. Why don't you people stop listening the the Iranian propogandist, pro-baathist minority and the well greased palms of their mouth pieces?


    The majority population will be the same as it has been for ages, the question should be whether the minority population will once again be allowed to oppress and terrorize that majority.
     
  11. Apr 28, 2004 #10

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    No Kat, Zero has a point. I joked in my post with those options - 1,2,3,4 - but the way things are going in Iraq it appears from the outside as though 50% or more of the population will become casualties.
     
  12. Apr 28, 2004 #11

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    Oh really, based on what facts? from which source? and, please be sure that those facts and figures include nationality and affiliation. Be sure it's not based on Sadr the Iranian's or his compatriots figures or I for one will call "foul!"
     
  13. Apr 28, 2004 #12

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    Neither Kat, let me ask for your help. How many civilians have died as a result of the US offensive, a conservative estimate will do. Find the (rough) average per month. At that rate per month, about how long will there be natives born in Iraq living there?
     
  14. Apr 28, 2004 #13
    Simple math here. At current rates there will be plenty of Iraqis for all of us to enjoy for millions of years.

    The last poll I heard said 96% of Iraqis were glad that we overthrew Saddam,
    glad that we were staying to help with the transition, and would be glad when we went home. I guess your average Iraqi is a lot more level headed than your average democrat.
     
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  15. Apr 28, 2004 #14

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    Wow, you must get your stats from Bushco.com,LOL, Kat? Anyways, I think all the Iraq people save a few wh prospered under Saddam are glad he is out. The other two, well they certainly will be glad to see the US leave but it appears that a rather large number are not so glad we're staying and they recognize that the transition effort is chaotic.
     
  16. Apr 28, 2004 #15

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    Source - http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

    Lets see, 8000 dead divided by 12 months is about 667 killed per month from a population of about 17,000,000 gives you about 25,500 months. So they have some 2,123 years before they are all killed. I guess your right Hughes.
     
  17. Apr 28, 2004 #16

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    Well over 2000 years. And that's if you include civilian deaths from the invasion itself while calculating deaths per month. For just the occupation, it would be 10's of thousands of years.

    BTW, Saddam was killing Iraqi civilians at over 5 times the rate of the occupying forces.

    Njorl
     
  18. Apr 28, 2004 #17

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    Staff: Mentor

    And we've had this conversation before as well...
     
  19. Apr 28, 2004 #18

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    Thanks Njorl, I'm enlightened. Does that mean that my method of calculating this was wrong? I sort of generally did - Total deaths (8000 min 10000 max) so far / 1 yr to get the per month avg. then used 17000000 as a round pop. figure and divided.
     
  20. Apr 28, 2004 #19

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    There are lots that you could use depending on how you want to make the outcome look. Your method was fine. Your conclusion about the meaning of the number on the other hand...
     
  21. Apr 28, 2004 #20

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    Russ, my conclusion is just a bit on the sarcastic side, I don't literally think that genocide is the goal.
     
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