# Symmetries vs time evolution

1. Jan 24, 2012

### giova7_89

My question is the following: when in quantum mechanics one introduces symmetry, says that a states and observables transform both, in order to mantain mean values intact (kind of like a change of coordinate system), i.e.:

$$|\psi>\rightarrow U|\psi>$$

and

$$O\rightarrow UOU^\dagger$$

while when one is concerned about time evolution, only states (Schrodinger picture) or observables (heisenberg picture) change?

The first thing to say is that if one doesnt' do that, mean values will never depend on time, which is rather strange..

2. Jan 24, 2012

### tom.stoer

Look at the Heisenberg picture.

What you find is an operator equation where the time evolution of an operator O is related to the commutator [H,O] via

$$\frac{dO}{dt} = i[H,O]$$

which corresponds to the classical Poisson bracket. From this operator equation of motion one derives the time evolution operator

$$U(t) = e^{-iHt}$$

and the time evolution

$$O(t) = U^\dagger(t)\,O\,U(t)$$

In the Heisenberg picture the states are constant, i.e. not subject to time evolution generated via U(t), i.e.

$$|\psi\rangle \stackrel{\text{time}}{\to} |\psi\rangle$$

$$O \stackrel{\text{time}}{\to} O(t) = U^\dagger(t)\,O\,U(t)$$

Calculating expectation values means

$$\langle O(t) \rangle_\psi = \langle\psi|O(t)|\psi\rangle = \langle\psi|U^\dagger(t)\,O\,U(t)|\psi\rangle$$

What you are talking about are unitary transformations T(a) generated via hermitian operators Ω

$$T(a) = e^{-ia\Omega}$$

But w.r.t. these unitary transformations T(a) both operators and states do change

$$|\psi\rangle \stackrel{\text{trf}}{\to} |\psi\rangle_a = T^\dagger(a)|\psi\rangle$$

$$O(t) \stackrel{\text{trf}}{\to} O_a(t) = T^\dagger(a)\,O(t)\,T(a)$$

which means that T(a) drops out from expectation values trivially.

Last edited: Jan 24, 2012
3. Jan 24, 2012

### giova7_89

Yes, I know these mathematics behind that, but my question is why do we do so? I mean, why one says the things you wrote in bold? Is it somehow related to active vs passive transformations?

4. Jan 24, 2012

### tom.stoer

The time evolution U is derived via the Heisenberg equstion of motion, the symmetry transformation T(a) are nothing else but a change of the basis vectors in Hilbert space. The only thing which relates them is the fact that both are unitary transformations.

But U(t) really does something, it transforms O and leaves the states invariant whereas T(a) essentially does nothing, it transforms O but this compensated by the change of the states.