Exploring Symmetry: Understanding the Differences in Triangles and Squares

In summary, the conversation discusses the symmetries of a triangle and a square and how the ordered sets of their vertices can be used to represent their symmetries. It is mentioned that while the triangle can have all possible combinations of three numbers, the square cannot have all possible combinations of four numbers due to the preservation of adjacent vertices. The symmetry groups of the tetrahedron and the three-cube are also mentioned, along with the use of reflections in generating these groups. The conversation also touches on the topic of reflection groups and provides recommendations for further reading on the subject.
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Siberius
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Hi all,

I was thinking of symmetries today and this kept bugging me. I wonder if anyone can help me with this.

Consider the symmetries of a triangle. You can do 3 rotations and 3 reflections to get them all. Number the vertices, create an ordered set with 3 elements that contain the numbers of the vertices. Starting with the topmost and working clockwise you'd get (1,2,3), (2,3,1), etc. By doing all the symmetries you can get all possible combinations of three numbers.
Consider the symmetries of a square. You can do 4 rotations and 4 reflections to get them all. Do the same procedure as above, that is, number the vertices and construct the ordered sets. Now you don't end up with all possible combinations of 4 numbers. For example: number the top left hand side vertex 1, the top right hand side 2, the bottom right 3 and the bottom left 4. I cannot think of a way of getting the set (1,2,4,3). Can anyone?
 
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Any symmetry is going to preserve which vertices are adjacent to which others. So, while in a triangle, all edges are adjacent, so you can't use this to rule out any lists like (1,3,2), etc. as representing actual symmetries, for the square you can rule out (1,2,4,3) since this would make 2 adjacent to 4, which it isn't in the original square.
 
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Yeah, I realized that I was ignoring the edges when re-thinking about this a few minutes later... I'm sorry for posting such a silly question :)
 
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By the way, Siberius, the symmetry group of the square is the eight element dihedral group often denoted [itex]D_4[/itex] (confusingly, some authors denote this group [itex]D_8[/itex] but the former notation is definitely more common and IMO preferable).

Another point to remember: when you used reflections in computing the symmetry groups of the triangle and the cube, these are (as linear transformations) "improper" (they are isometries, but they don't have determinant one). The "proper" symmetry group correspond to an index two subgroup of the guys you found. Can you figure out the symmetry group of the tetrahedron and the three-cube? As permutation groups acting on the vertices, or alternatively, on the edges. (Would the group acting on the vertices be isomorphic to the group acting on the edges?)

I can't resist pointing out that you can generate the two groups you found (allowing "improper" isometries) using only reflections. This is related to the beautiful method of Coxeter for classifying such reflection groups, which turns out to be the same as Dynkin's method of classifying the simple complex Lie algebras. (Keyword: Coxeter-Dynkin diagrams.) Reflection groups have a very beautiful theory which is the subject of many books.

A very readable and fun high school textbook:

Groups and their Graphs, by Israel Grossman and Wilhelm Magnus, Mathematical Association of America, 1964.

Two very readable and fun undergraduate textbooks:

Permutation Groups by Peter J. Cameron, Cambridge University Press, 1999.

Groups and Geometry by Peter M. Neumann, Gabrielle A. Stoy, and the late Edward C. Thompson, Oxford University Press, 1994.

Kleinian geometry is also fun:

Transformation Geometry : an Introduction to Symmetry, by George E. Martin, Springer, 1982.
 
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What is symmetry of the square?

Symmetry of the square refers to the property of a square shape in which it can be divided into two equal halves that are mirror images of each other.

How many axes of symmetry does a square have?

A square has four axes of symmetry, one for each side of the square.

What is the difference between rotational and reflectional symmetry?

Rotational symmetry refers to the property of an object to have a center point around which it can be rotated and still maintain its original shape. Reflectional symmetry, on the other hand, refers to the property of an object to have a line of reflection that divides it into two equal mirror images.

Can all squares have rotational symmetry?

Yes, all squares have rotational symmetry because they have four equal sides and four right angles, making them symmetric around their center point.

Why is symmetry important in mathematics and science?

Symmetry is important in mathematics and science because it allows us to identify patterns and relationships between different objects and shapes. It also helps us to understand the underlying structure and properties of these objects, which can be useful in various applications such as architecture, chemistry, and biology.

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