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Sympathies for my American friends

  1. Nov 3, 2004 #1
    My sympathies really do go out to all the Americans out in the world. They are in the unenviable position having to pick from one of two bad choices. Here in Canada we had a similarly tough time trying to pick from Harper and Martin (both of them are jackasses). I voted Layton personally, but fat lot of good that did.

    During our election campaign, I recall hearing the conservatives going on about the benefits of missile defense, and the liberals speaking out against it saying they would have nothing to do with it.

    Now months later, after the liberals are in power with a minority government. We find the liberals going on about the benefits of missile defense (lying sacks of **** can all go to hell for all I care, 'cept Caroyln Parrish at least she speaks her mind), and the conservatives opposing missile defence (now that its politically beneficial to do so).
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  3. Nov 3, 2004 #2
    Throw politicians in LA aqueduct. Fill with cement. Problems solved.
  4. Nov 3, 2004 #3
    I disagree with the Missile Defense System right now. As a Canadian who cannot yet vote I commend your choice to vote for the NDP. While the Liberal stance on certain issues are not too bad, I do not dislike them as much as you. However, by supporting the NDP you are making way for the future.

    Hopefully I will live to see a time where the NDP (or another left-wing party) becomes in power or atleast the official opposition.
  5. Nov 3, 2004 #4
    Hey,fellow Canadians! I'm so on your bandwagon! I'm not yet eligable to vote yet, but I share your same political viewpoint. The choice between Harper and Martin was like choosing between the lesser of two evils. All I wanted was for Harper to lose because I knew his policies would not be good for Canada. Layton is no saint either and I'm not sure he would have done such a great job leading the country, but I think it would be good if NDP became the official opposition party of Canada.
  6. Nov 3, 2004 #5
    The NDP as the opposition right now would be excellent. Conservatives are getting slightly better morally, they are almost moderate. However, I will likely never consider voting for them until they have left-wing moral policies. Right-wing business policies I can tolerate and even like in some instances.

    I'll definately be voting when I turn 18.
  7. Nov 3, 2004 #6
    wow I think the Conservatives are getting more extreme, and simply has better coaching. Tom Flanagan, an import from the US, is advising Harper & has also published a book called "First Nations, 2nd Thoughts" where he basically says natives should all be assimilated. The Conservatives are like that with everything.

    I can't trust the Liberals to be consistently liberal either. The new pot bill is fine, but I don't think it goes far enough. Same with same-sex marriage, the government should just do it. I think the Liberal tradition is to not do anything once elected, just look at what they've done about the Romanow report. On other stuff they really piss me off, like the current missile-"defence" system that we're going to sign on to because we owe the US for not teaming up with them against Iraq. I like Carolyn Parrish though; John Godfrey (Don Valley West, Minister of State for Infrastructure & Communities) is another cool Liberal: "George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours."

    I like the current NDP the most of all the parties, but they're just a shadow of their former selves. They need leaders like Tommy Douglas, Stephen Lewis, etc. They'd be our Canadian Castros! lol
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  8. Nov 3, 2004 #7
    I didn't know about who was advising Harper. That's a really scary fact. Like you, I'm from B.C. and the provincial government in power right now sure seems more Conservative than Liberal. Oh if only I could be 18 by May to help vote them out!
  9. Nov 3, 2004 #8
    We in Canada are not much better at chosing politicians ,I might say we are hypocrites and politically naive ie, Dummb.
    Few examples:Harris in Ontario,Klein in Alberta, "Liberals" in BC not to mention criminal Martin and his gang in Ottawa.
    Let them in states vote for whatever they want, but before criticizing them we have to clean our huge mess!
  10. Nov 3, 2004 #9
    At least we didn't invade Iraq! That's an even huger mess to clean up! In that case if they need us there we shouldn't go because we have our own problems.
  11. Nov 3, 2004 #10
    Don't worry if your Queen orders her subjects to fight for empire, Canadian sheeple will fight arabs.
  12. Nov 3, 2004 #11
    I'd have to agree with you on this. When it comes business and economic practice, I'm not terribly opposed to the conservative school of thought. I'm sick of wasteful spending in our government, I don't think very many of us can afford it.

    But when it comes to social issues I am indeed left of centre, and my choice in voting is usually a result of social rather than economic issues. So sue me, I care more about social rights than how much cash I have in my pocket.

    That's pretty funny, considering Canadians feelings toward the Queen and her rep the governor general Adrienne Clarkson, I don't think anybody will do any fighting on behalf of the royal family.

    Tumor, I'll agree with you that Harris wasn't the best leader Ontario's ever seen, but you gotta give him this. He did what he said he would do, he promised spending cuts, and he delivered. This is one thing I really appreciate from his government, unlike the majority of lying politicians, Harris delivered. Granted, I didn't care for what he was delivering.

    I don't know too much about Ralph Klein, but from what I've read in the papers lately, his term has been a financial success for Alberta.
  13. Nov 3, 2004 #12
    Oil for 40-50 $ a barrel is the reason why R.Klein was "succsesfull".He ain't some kind of financiall genius.
  14. Nov 3, 2004 #13
    Hmm, wonder of wonders then that support for the Iraq war increases as you go west of Ontario, and east of British Columbia..
  15. Nov 4, 2004 #14
    Yes you are absolutely right! I did not thought of that!
  16. Nov 4, 2004 #15
    Peter Lougheed, the Ralph Klein of the 80s, fought the NEP from the beginning. If Mulroney hadn't rolled it back Canada would have debt-free by 1990. How's that for financial success! & for all of Canada too, not just Alberta! our NEP was also very moderate by international standards. We only nationalised 25% of all the oil found in Canada, while Statoil (Norway) takes 50% & BP (I think it's BP, British Petroleum, takes 51%). We still had lax foreign-ownership restrictions too. Even with such a moderate system we would have been debt-free, and self-sufficient in oil by 1990!! see Stephen Clarkson's "Canada & the Reagan Challenge", which got the Canadian Sociology & Anthropology Association's John Porter Book Prize 1984.
  17. Nov 4, 2004 #16
    NEP was greatest idea in Canadian history, of course uninformed people hated it when politicians/media started labeling it in socialistic/communistic terms.
    But if someone is against our national health care,whole Canada is in uproar!idiots !!:mad:
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