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Take a Stand Against Fur.

  1. Feb 26, 2008 #1
    I just saw this clip seconds ago, and I was utterly disgusted by this. This footage is gruesome. DO NOT WATCH IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE. I'm not kidding.
    Please, let us unite to do something about this. Sadly, I don't know what exactly needs to be done.
     
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  3. Feb 26, 2008 #2

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    I never wear fur. It's so passe. To me, women in fur coats look like hookers.
     
  4. Feb 26, 2008 #3

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    Seems more anti-chinese than anti-fur. This is why I don't like Chinese people :wink:

    edit: MIH is right. Women in fur really do look like prostitutes.
     
  5. Feb 26, 2008 #4

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    It won't load for me. I wouldn't like to deny a person living by traditional means their fur coat however.
     
  6. Feb 26, 2008 #5
    Er, just to add this- is this kind of posting allowed? I'm afraid I'll get banned for this or something :uhh:
     
  7. Feb 26, 2008 #6

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    PETA threads normally generate flame wars, we've had a number of them and they have to be closed. Since I can't view the links right now, I'll let another moderator decide if it is too graphic.
     
  8. Feb 26, 2008 #7
    It's pretty graphic. It's worse than the clips of the meat packing industry cruelty, IMO.
     
  9. Feb 26, 2008 #8
    I moved the time in the video to a random place in the video and it showed a chinese guy stomping the guts out of a raccoon's head. Graphic enough?
     
  10. Feb 26, 2008 #9

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    Ok, based on that, I'm removing the links, but let's continue the discussion.
     
  11. Feb 26, 2008 #10
    I've never stomped on a raccoon's head, but I did have a Davy Crockett coonskin cap I wore on my head. small world
     
  12. Feb 26, 2008 #11

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    My 15-1/2 YO daughter is a vegan. She shows this stuff to me all the time. She knows I'm a softie and I can't stomach to watch.

    Some of the clips, especially those from overseas, are just beyond sickening.

    I suspect I'll be vegan, or maybe jsut vegetarian, before too long. But I could never wear fur - I find it repulsive.
     
  13. Feb 26, 2008 #12

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    One time i saw a vet wearing a horse glove.
     
  14. Feb 26, 2008 #13
    I find most fur repulsive, but I've got some slippers made from baby seals that I'll fight to keep.
     
  15. Feb 26, 2008 #14

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    The best action to take is to stop believing PETA's propaganda in any way represents reality. Now they're complaining about wool...yeesh...you get wool by giving the sheep the equivalent of a haircut, which they need to not get too hot in summer anyway, and send them merrily back out to pasture.
     
  16. Feb 26, 2008 #15

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    It's actually cruel to leave certain breeds of sheep unshorn for long periods.
    Where I'm from there are churro sheep with four (read: 4) horns, that when left too long unshorn in pasture cannot walk very well. They start to look like cotton balls with toothpicks stuck in them.

    Pictures:
    http://www.ausbcomp.com/redman/churro_project.htm
     
  17. Feb 26, 2008 #16

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    Not to mention how absolutely FILTHY wool gets. For simple hygiene you need to get it off the sheep (we shear before lambing around here, so the ewes aren't completely filthy when the lambs are being born, and so all the fluids from the birth don't cling to the wool and attract bugs).
     
  18. Feb 26, 2008 #17

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    If you are "against" fur, are you also against leather?

    Is wearing animal hair worse than wearing animal skin?

    Humans would not be where we are if it weren't for smearing an animal's skin with its own brains. Sickening as it sounds, that's the way tanning has been done for thousands of years.
     
  19. Feb 26, 2008 #18

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    I used to get the newsletter from "Real Goods," a solar-living store on the west coast. The best part were the letters, which once contained a PETA-ish person claiming that they would not buy anything through the store or catalog as long as they sold anything made of or containing wool.

    I couldn't help thinking: petroleum-based synthetics is "more-correct" than wool? As a Scot, I found that offensive.

    Edit: Maybe they think that hemp sweaters will keep you warm enough.
     
  20. Feb 26, 2008 #19
    I think it all depends on how it is done. Obviously stomping a racoons head is not appropriate. But if someone were to "humanely" put the racoon down and then use the meat for food, I'm ok with that. But I doubt they used the rest of the racoon.
     
  21. Feb 26, 2008 #20

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    They will if you smoke them.

    I must admit I do wear loads of leather because I'm into motorbikes, but I think that as long as the killing is humane then we can use the product.
     
  22. Feb 26, 2008 #21

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    We used to have a couple goats and one sheep. When the sheep would get shorn I can guarantee you he LOVED it. Like a cat getting scratched! That wool must be itchy on them, too, I guess. Then he'd get up and prance around the barnyard like he was a lamb again. My hands would smell of lanolin for a day or two...yuck.

    So I don't equate wool with fur...not even close. It's the cruelty that I can't support. And groups like PETA...I think they're well-intentioned but they go way, way too far. People don't respond to being preached at.
     
  23. Feb 26, 2008 #22

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    Getting a bit off track here. There's a big difference between being against fur and being a proud terrorist supporter of PETA.

    Shouldn't the links be put back in the OP? It's hard to discuss something when half the people haven't even seen what the debate is about.
     
  24. Feb 26, 2008 #23

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    Indeed, I don't think they think beyond Step 1: grow a sheep. Wool is very eco-friendly, since you can process it into a usable product without any chemical processing (unless you count a soap-and-water wash as chemical processing; granted many choose to dye wool, but they dye other fibers too, and you don't NEED to dye it for it to be wearable). Much better than something like cotton or synthetic fibers in terms of what gets dumped into the environment from processing (what comes off into the wash water is either dirt/fecal material that can be put right back into the soil, or lanolin that's a wonderful moisturizing lotion). A lot of people also don't know that wool is also naturally flame-retardant, so you don't need to treat it with another chemical to give it that property.

    If you have sheep, you don't need a lawnmower, so yet another eco-friendly plus. Compost what comes out the other end and you can have nice fertilizer for your garden.
     
  25. Feb 26, 2008 #24
    Can hookers afford real fur? I just thought it was Rapper Pimps hoes who managed to get the fur and still live a hooker like lifestyle.
     
  26. Feb 26, 2008 #25

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    It's easy enough for people to google for the videos, that way, no one accidently clicks on them.
     
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