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The only prerequsite for Discrete Mathematics is Calculus I (which I am currently taking this semester).theCandyman said:

As for taking both of them, I probably will register for both classes then decide if I can handle it before the drop date (which is 2 weeks into class); that way, I can see what both classes are like and get a refund if I feel that I cannot handle them.

Thanks for the help so for y'all. Much appreciated.

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Topology

Variational Calculus II

Probability & Statistics

Numerical Linear Algebra

This in addition to thermodynamics, analytical mechanics, quantum mechanics, special relativity, astrophysics & electonics.

I survived. I expect you will as well. There's absolutely no reason to limit yourself to one math course per semester. There's so much to learn and so little time

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Right now I'm a senior in high school. I'm taking three full-year math courses:

AP Calculus, AP Probability and Statistics and Honors Physics.

It's not bad at all. In fact, it's cool because you can see the similarities between the the three classes (like derivatives of position functions=velocity, etc.).

So go ahead and take them!

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Dimitri Terryn said:

Topology

Variational Calculus II

Probability & Statistics

Numerical Linear Algebra

This in addition to thermodynamics, analytical mechanics, quantum mechanics, special relativity, astrophysics & electonics.

I survived. I expect you will as well. There's absolutely no reason to limit yourself to one math course per semester. There's so much to learn and so little time

Why on earth would you want to take all of those in one semester, and how is it even possible?

As for the original question, its impossible to get through undergrad without taking more than major course in most semesters.

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LOL!JasonZ said:Why on earth would you want to take all of those in one semester, and how is it even possible?

As for the original question, its impossible to get through undergrad without taking more than major course in most semesters.

-JasonZ

That is not an atypical schedule for anyone working toward a degree in math and or Physics.

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I'm kind of in a similar boat, I'm going to take calc III, engineering physics II, and a second 4 credit course in java programming. I'm considering adding differential equations. that would be 17 credits for the semester.

I'm not to worried about the load itself, but the diff eq class is only offered at night from 6 to 10 pm. I am not a night person. I get up at 4 am, by 8 pm or so, the brain is pretty much shutting down. I also don't get much out of math lectures anyway. Can you learn the diff eq material from the book? or is being able to stay awake during the lecture a requirement?

Can anyone recommend a good diff eq book that would be better suited to someone trying to learn it directly from the book? We have about a month brake between semesters so I'm planning on getting as far ahead in my classes as I can during that time. Even if I don't end up taking diff eq next semester, I've heard it's good to have a diff eq book around for physics.

I'm not to worried about the load itself, but the diff eq class is only offered at night from 6 to 10 pm. I am not a night person. I get up at 4 am, by 8 pm or so, the brain is pretty much shutting down. I also don't get much out of math lectures anyway. Can you learn the diff eq material from the book? or is being able to stay awake during the lecture a requirement?

Can anyone recommend a good diff eq book that would be better suited to someone trying to learn it directly from the book? We have about a month brake between semesters so I'm planning on getting as far ahead in my classes as I can during that time. Even if I don't end up taking diff eq next semester, I've heard it's good to have a diff eq book around for physics.

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Integral said:LOL!

That is not an atypical schedule for anyone working toward a degree in math and or Physics.

Indeed. You want to be a physics or mathematics major (or both )? Then suffer!

Seriously though, there is a reason why they call it the "hard" sciences. There's alot of work to be done, and it needs to be done. It's not literature or philosphy where you can BS your way through, you either master your material or you don't go through.

Damn, I'm becoming preachy in my old age

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Dimitri Terryn said:

Topology

Variational Calculus II

Probability & Statistics

Numerical Linear Algebra

This in addition to thermodynamics, analytical mechanics, quantum mechanics, special relativity, astrophysics & electonics.

I survived. I expect you will as well. There's absolutely no reason to limit yourself to one math course per semester. There's so much to learn and so little time

Let us established first of all that there COULD be a significant difference between what we define as a complete "course" in the US educational institution, with what is defined elsewhere. What he is taking here is highly unusual for someone in a US school, where each subject here can be the focus of one complete course in a semester. Add this to the fact that in a US University, an undergraduate also has other elective courses to take as part of the requirement for graduation.

So I would highly recommend that one not think that this is normal in a US curriculum. You may take some of these courses eventually, but certainly not in a semester. Or, you may not even take most of them and instead, get a survey of them in a Mathematical Physics course. Most physics majors don't want to be math majors and have to take all these math classes - but we unfortunately need to know how to USE them, and use them properly (thus, the appearence of math-physics courses in many schools).

Zz.

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Indeed, a standard 3-credit University course here in Canada usually lasts one semester (i.e. spans the full four months), has lecture and lab and/or tutorial components, has 1-3 midterm exams, has weekly homework assignments, demands at least 2.5 times the study time per week as the the lecture time per week (which is usually 3 hours of lectures), and has a final examination.

How many of these courses do students typically take per semester? 5.

Engineering students normally take 6. Everybody else (with the exception of a science student) goes when he/she hears that.

In Engineering Physics (my program) the standard fare is 7 courses per semester. I'm in third year. This semester mine are:

-Applications of Classical Mechanics (Lagrangian Dynamics)

-Introduction to Electricity and Magnestism (Maxwell's Equations etc)

-Introduction to Laboratory Techniques (Physics lab. The labs I did were gyroscopes, NMR, gamma ray spectroscopy, and alpha particle range in air. There are others too...superconductors, tranmissions line, servos, etc. ).

-Digital Logic Design

-Circuits Analysis I*

-Ordinary Differential Equations*

-Programming and Data Structures for Engineers (i.e. comp sci with C++ )*

Courses with * indicate courses I should have had finished by second year, but couldn't because I transferred directly into Engineering Physics in my second year from wimpy general sciences in first year. In place of the * courses, I should actually be doing Partial Differential Equations, some sort of EECE course in discrete data structures/algorithms, and another math course (Complex Analysis). I should be up to speed by next semester. Keep in mind that I'm taking*three* math courses next semester, the Partial Differential Equations, the Complex Variable Theory, and Probability with Physical Applications.

The point of all of this is that seven courses are not totally unheard of, and many of my friends are taking on eight. Nine courses is pretty much the upper limit (some will attempt it), and ten sounds insane, and probably exceeds the credit limit. Engineering Physics is, however, the hardest eng. program, and one of my physics profs commented that she figured we probably just got burnt out, whereas the pure honours physics students had more time to let things sink in, and indulge their scientific curiosity. I agree with the burnt out part 100%

How many of these courses do students typically take per semester? 5.

Engineering students normally take 6. Everybody else (with the exception of a science student) goes when he/she hears that.

In Engineering Physics (my program) the standard fare is 7 courses per semester. I'm in third year. This semester mine are:

-Applications of Classical Mechanics (Lagrangian Dynamics)

-Introduction to Electricity and Magnestism (Maxwell's Equations etc)

-Introduction to Laboratory Techniques (Physics lab. The labs I did were gyroscopes, NMR, gamma ray spectroscopy, and alpha particle range in air. There are others too...superconductors, tranmissions line, servos, etc. ).

-Digital Logic Design

-Circuits Analysis I*

-Ordinary Differential Equations*

-Programming and Data Structures for Engineers (i.e. comp sci with C++ )*

Courses with * indicate courses I should have had finished by second year, but couldn't because I transferred directly into Engineering Physics in my second year from wimpy general sciences in first year. In place of the * courses, I should actually be doing Partial Differential Equations, some sort of EECE course in discrete data structures/algorithms, and another math course (Complex Analysis). I should be up to speed by next semester. Keep in mind that I'm taking

The point of all of this is that seven courses are not totally unheard of, and many of my friends are taking on eight. Nine courses is pretty much the upper limit (some will attempt it), and ten sounds insane, and probably exceeds the credit limit. Engineering Physics is, however, the hardest eng. program, and one of my physics profs commented that she figured we probably just got burnt out, whereas the pure honours physics students had more time to let things sink in, and indulge their scientific curiosity. I agree with the burnt out part 100%

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Integral said:LOL!

That is not an atypical schedule for anyone working toward a degree in math and or Physics.

Haha, I dunno. I don't think taking, I guess, 24 hours of classes, let alone all math and physics courses, is very typical. Mind you im speaking for the u.s., not anywhere else in the world. I've never taken more than 4 combined math/physics classes.

Boy 8 would be rough. Especially upper-division haha!

Anyhow, i think its been firmly established that the original poster can handle taking two classes ;).

oh, and Cod, I don't see why taking them 10 minutes apart would be a problem. Just remember that professors LOVE to all schedule tests on the same day :). You'll be fine though, don't stress about it too much.

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JasonZ said:Just remember that professors LOVE to all schedule tests on the same day :).

-JasonZ

I think it's an international conspiracy...

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JasonZ said:Haha, I dunno. I don't think taking, I guess, 24 hours of classes, let alone all math and physics courses, is very typical. Mind you im speaking for the u.s., not anywhere else in the world.

Just curious, what do you mean by 24 hours of classes? I'm assuming this is per week, or is that number calculated in a different fashion?

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Wow.

My University limits you to 5.

If you're GPA is over 3.5 they let you take 6.

My University limits you to 5.

If you're GPA is over 3.5 they let you take 6.

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Dimitri Terryn said:Just curious, what do you mean by 24 hours of classes? I'm assuming this is per week, or is that number calculated in a different fashion?

Well I assumed each of those classes is counted for 3 hours of credit, and since there are eight (though it now appears that I can't count, and there are nine), I figured thats around 24 hours of classes.

Most people take around 15 hours of classes (per semester) here in the U.S., and I think most universities limit the number you can take to about 18, without special approval.

Sorry for being so ethnocentric ;).

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So if you have 24h of classes, that means you spend 24h/week in the classroom or lab?

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JasonZ said:Well I assumed each of those classes is counted for 3 hours of credit, and since there are eight (though it now appears that I can't count, and there are nine), I figured thats around 24 hours of classes.

Most people take around 15 hours of classes (per semester) here in the U.S., and I think most universities limit the number you can take to about 18, without special approval.

Sorry for being so ethnocentric ;).

Even this needs to be explained a bit more...

Intro courses (those typically taken by 1st and 2nd year students) tend to have a higher number of credit hours than more advanced ones. So for example, a general physics course typically carries 4 to 5 credits per semester. The same with intro Chemistry, Calc, etc.. .(again, this depends heavily on the individual school). So it is quite usual for a Freshman or Sophomore to maybe take 3 to 4 classes, and already fills up 15 to maybe 20 credit hours just for that semester.

The higher level classes typically carries 3 credit hours. Take note that these are credit hours rated per semester. Schools going by quarters instead of semesters have different number of "equivalent credit hours".

I would also want to warn that sometime, even classes that only "advertize" themselves with ONLY 2 or 3 credit hours can, in fact, take up a lot of time. A case in point are computer programming classes and/or numerical computation classes. If you are either required or electively enrolled in such classes, even though you're spending only 2 to 3 hours per week in class, you will spend HOURS and hours outside of class writing codes and debuging. I always suggest that students lower their class workload if they can in any semester that they are enrolled in a programming class in case they do run into such problems.

So while looking at the number of credit hours is a good start in figuring out a workload for a semester, the type of classes should also be a major consideration.

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Dimitri, like he said, it technically means 24 hours a week in the classroom, though very often it ends up being more.

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