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Talking about Quantum physics

  1. Nov 19, 2004 #1
    people are talking about Quantum physics and many such things.But what thay are proving now is what is already told by spiritual leaders of Hinduism,taoism long time back....where is this leading to?
     
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    quantitative predictions
    computers would not work without Quantum stuff
    How come long time back they did not have GPS ?
     
  4. Nov 19, 2004 #3

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    Unfortunately, we can expect many more such attitudes towards QM in the near future, especially by those who have seen the awful movie/documentary "What the #$*! Do We Know". Other than the fact that the movie completely bastardized physics (and only those who have actually studied any physics would realize this), comments such as this reemphasize the conclusions of many surveys of scientfic literacy among the general public - that most people are not able to tell the difference between scientific evidence and anecdotal/inconclusive/faulty/bogus evidence.

    This movie, btw, prides itself in exploring the metaphysical aspects of modern physics. And people wonder why physicists groan whenever we hear something like that.....

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  5. Nov 19, 2004 #4

    Galileo

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    Similar docu's are shown on the Discovery channel sometimes. A scientific channel for crying out loud!
     
  6. Nov 19, 2004 #5

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    I saw the movie. The premise started out well enough, but it was strictly pick-and-choose in what it covered. I.e. trying to shock the viewer with tidbits. The people (presented as "scientific experts") interviewed were fairly weak.

    What bothered me a lot was they presented as "fact" an experiment which purported to show that water could be controlled by the human mind.

    As to DrDolittle's comments: I would be hard pressed to latch onto anything in the I Ching (or similar works) or in Hindu texts which has much to do with the formalism of Quantum Mechanics. The parallels are all in the mind, and there are plenty of counter examples as well. Ditto with Relativity.
     
  7. Nov 19, 2004 #6

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    You are certainly more generous than I. I think I needed to be sedated after the movie. :)

    What humanino tried to convey is exactly what most people do not understand about science, and physics in particular. We just cannot say "what goes up must come down". We must also be able to say "when and where it comes down". The quantitative aspect of physics is what makes it different than these religious beliefs and many other fields of studies. A handwaving argument is never more convincing than a valid quantitative description. Unfortunately, if we look closely, there are more people who put more credibility into such handwaving "evidence" than in the quantitative aspect of it.

    Coincidentally, if anyone has access to the Science journal, don't miss the latest issue of it out today (Nov. 19th, 2004). This is a special issue on metrology, or the science of quantitative measurement of physical quantities that we use. Take note of the role of various quantum phenomena (especially superconductivity) in determining the physical constants and physical scales of what we use routinely. The fact that we use them, and depend on them, to give us these important values mean that these things are highly reliable and highly reproducible. The reliability and reproducibility of various phenomena and description in physics/science are something that many people either overlook, are unaware of, or simply trivialize.

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  8. Nov 20, 2004 #7
    Iam deeply perplexed by those who foresaw the future by their ultimate intuition.I give credence to those spiritual leaders and physicists nowadays are proving nothing but what they foretold.Their philosophy was meant to be obscured due to the problem they faced with communicating in words what they bore in there mind.
     
  9. Nov 20, 2004 #8

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    What you are forgetting is that if you make a prediction VAGUE ENOUGH, then anything can fit into it. We call this "wiggle room". Psychics do this all the time. The unfortunately part is that those who are taken in by such things don't even realize that they have been duped. Why? Because people like you do not realize what "quantitative" predictions mean and why such things are important to distinguish between hoaxes such as these and scientific predictions.

    Besides, if I pay attention to all these predictions by all these "spiritual leaders", the world should have ended a few times already by now. It appears that many people, including you, do not pay attention to when they goofed!

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  10. Nov 20, 2004 #9
    I can tell vehemently that none of the spiritual leaders has told about the end of world.Such hoaxes were told only by few American philosophers with no grounds.Spiritual leaders from India,China,Japan through there doctrines have attained awakening and have explained them with cogent reasoning.I wonder that this has inspired even some greatest minds of the world but not you.Atleast now start thinking and heed to there philosophies.
     
  11. Nov 20, 2004 #10

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    Oh, so now YOU get to pick and choose which "spiritual leaders" to listen to. Who appointed you and what makes you think you're right?

    I'd advise you to do the same about studying physics, but I think you are incapable of doing that.

    This thread is in the WRONG section of PF. However, I think we don't have a "Delusion" section to move it to.

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  12. Nov 20, 2004 #11
    If you are incapable of understanding the reality and the gravity of my talk,dont call yourself to be well-read in physics as you don't possess a basic knowledge of dissecting the facts.
     
  13. Nov 20, 2004 #12

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    Okay, I'll bite.

    I think it would be nice if we could find a connection between QM and spirituality. Can you give an example of a connection?

    Regards
     
  14. Nov 20, 2004 #13

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    Zapper,
    You have done a wondrous job keeping this thread about physics. Unfortunately the original poster is not reading the same responses I am. I must close this thread, even though your posts are golden.

    If you wish to explore the spirituality of QM please do so in the philosophy forums.
     
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