Tax racing fuel heavily

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NASCAR is annoying enough, without the figure that over 5% of the nation's gasoline supply (a large percentage of what we are forced to import) is wasted on the non-sport of auto racing. It's time we taxed some sensibility into this American-antithetical conspicuous consumption.

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cronxeh
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i always thought nascar is the most retarded thing to watch or even enjoy

let alone participate in

Loren Booda said:
over 5% of the nation's gasoline supply [...] is wasted on the non-sport of auto racing.

Ivan Seeking
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I say tax all sports right through the roof...say a 100% tax tacked onto all sales. Taxing gas for Nascar, say $5 -$50 per gallon, is a no brainer in my book.

We could just ban auto racing. We could ban it on the grounds of emissions and useless consumption of resources.
I have a friend who would hate it though.

cronxeh
Gold Member
You know its a funny thing to say, but if i was ever going to become a mass murder, id probably start off by whacking every NASCAR driver, executive, fan, investor, and employee. Why go easy on people these days? We go to war against terrorists, dont we? Well if you do some calculations and optimization here, you'll see the aforementioned people are far worse than terrorists.

And no, I am not joking.

Unfortunately, it's more my memory than math. Maybe someone could dredge up the actual statistics for me.

Aside: Mercedes pulled out of racing for forty years after one of their cars exploded in the grandstands, killing more than 300 spectators.

Pengwuino
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Loren Booda said:
NASCAR is annoying enough, without the figure that over 5% of the nation's gasoline supply (a large percentage of what we are forced to import) is wasted on the non-sport of auto racing. It's time we taxed some sensibility into this American-antithetical conspicuous consumption.
.... since every SUV in this country combined supposedly consumes 10% of the nations gasoline.... i REALLY think your figure is off.

While we're at it, lets ban all protests because cars have to stop when the streets are blocked off. How bout movies? Cars have to drive there and all movies suck now-a-days. How bout banning books too, cant hurt trees. All schools should be banned as well, those parking lots are a death trap. Hey lets shut down the internet, it uses quite a lot of power.

Lets also call for the murder of everyone who enjoys Pepsi. Consumer freedom is bad and it takes gas to produce pepsi. Why not people who enjoy carls jr? Death to them, they drive. Hell since I dont like Panda Express, death to every asian. How bout that. I mean we might as well since we're calling for the murder of people who enjoy something we don't enjoy.

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how is it 5%? that cant be right. and taxing sports is a good idea, especially ones that pay the players like $100 million a year loseyourname Staff Emeritus Gold Member The highest salary in all of professional sports belongs to Alex Rodriguez, but who is making an average of about$25 million a year over the length of a ten-year contract. Athletes make far more off of endorsements than they do off of salary. They are also already in the highest tax-brackets, and since they aren't business owners (generally speaking), they can't shelter their earnings as easily as many other big-time earners. If you don't like it, don't watch their sports and don't buy the products they endorse. Where do you think the money is coming from?

Jesus Christ, where do you people get off? Yeah, let's tax the hell out of and then kill everyone affiliated with NASCAR because we don't see the point of it as a sport.

I am a race fan, all kinds of races, including NASCAR, Indy, 1/4 mile track and yes even some street racing. I enjoy building cars that go fast, and I work hard{12 hour days} and have the right to spend my time and money how I choose, without idiots thinking I should die for it.
Racing fule is taxed{ i know, I buy it}, and so is my ticket.

I also have the right to buy a Hummer and get 5 mi/gallon. Screw the environment because this is the USA. I have the right to do whatever I want.

I can't think of any country that bans/limits any kind of car.

loseyourname
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The taxation of gasoline in many European countries is so exaggerated that it would be virtually impossible for most people to drive as much there as in the US. Of course, the cities are also smaller and commutes shorter, so there isn't as much of a need to drive.

russ_watters
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loseyourname said:
The highest salary in all of professional sports belongs to Alex Rodriguez, but who is making an average of about $25 million a year over the length of a ten-year contract. Athletes make far more off of endorsements than they do off of salary. They are also already in the highest tax-brackets, and since they aren't business owners (generally speaking), they can't shelter their earnings as easily as many other big-time earners. If you don't like it, don't watch their sports and don't buy the products they endorse. Where do you think the money is coming from? Jesus Christ, where do you people get off? Yeah, let's tax the hell out of and then kill everyone affiliated with NASCAR because we don't see the point of it as a sport. Amen, brother. Gawd, I love freedom and democracy, don't you? FredGarvin Science Advisor I have a hard time believing the 5% usage number. Given the latest number I saw of the US using 400,000,000 gallons a day, I don't think Jeff Gordon et al are using 20 million gallons a day. Personally, I would much rather create a huge uproar and increase the luxury taxes on fuels used in recreational boats/yachts. In my neck of the woods, I see people fill up monstorously huge boats with$300 in gas a day just to go out and drive in circles. That doesn't include the other environmental damage they do by polluting the waters. But then again, that's just my opinion.

russ_watters
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hypatia said:
I can't think of any country that bans/limits any kind of car.
What do you mean by "limits"? The US has pretty strict safety and efficiency standards...

Ivan Seeking said:
I say tax all sports right through the roof...say a 100% tax tacked onto all sales.
Are you serious? Why on earth would you want to tax all sports?? Surely you would want to encourage people to take part in sports!! Apart from the obvious health benefits, sports have so many social-skill and character building benefits.

PS

russ_watters said:
What do you mean by "limits"? The US has pretty strict safety and efficiency standards...
That was in response to Gravenwoods "right to because I'm American" message. I was referring to size of car and how much gas it burns.

cronxeh
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Any 4th year mechanical engineering student could come up with a NASCAR car design - it doesnt take that much of intelligence these days. But to come up with a Toyota Prius that gets 50 mpg actually does, and shows a thing or two about human accomplishments these days.

I dont see how taking out most of NASCAR is a problem in my Ethics books.. let me double check.. nope, still cool with it.

Curious3141
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Loren Booda said:
NASCAR is annoying enough, without the figure that over 5% of the nation's gasoline supply (a large percentage of what we are forced to import) is wasted on the non-sport of auto racing. It's time we taxed some sensibility into this American-antithetical conspicuous consumption.
I'm not a fan of NASCAR per se, but I love motorsports in general. I have a problem with anyone who considers all motor racing to be a "non-sport". I can assure you that top F1 drivers have fitness levels that top fighter pilots can only dream of. Apart from demanding great physical fitness, top level motorsports test reflexes, quick thinking, endurance and courage. And the ability of a race team to come up with a sound pit strategy, modifying it on the fly to fit evolving race conditions and happenings.

I think it's a great sport. If you can't appreciate it, then that's your shortcoming.

I've had friends with souped up cars (el Camino and Camero respectively) pushing 400 HP each. Believe it, the former could pull a wheelie. All I am saying is that the cost of performance fuel (for any engine of excess) should reflect the necessity of its use. Nature will take its course in any case.

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Curious3141 said:
I can assure you that top F1 drivers have fitness levels that top fighter pilots can only dream of.
...uhhhhh, no. Unless their cars can go 2x the speed of sound or more and they can play "duck, dodge, and hide" while someone shoots guided missiles at them.

Curious3141 said:
Apart from demanding great physical fitness, top level motorsports test reflexes, quick thinking, endurance and courage.
Go fast, turn left. AND they shouldn't be TESTING their whatever when they do it. They should already have them before they climb behind the wheel.

Raising taxes on racing gas will just be passed on to the consumer. All major auto manufactures spend tons of money to win races so you will buy their cars. Not to mention that the technology gained from racing means we get better vehicles. Do you really think these manufacturers are going to cut the cooperate salaries to pay the increased taxes...I don't.

hypatia said:
I can't think of any country that bans/limits any kind of car.
Japan has very strict laws regarding high performance vehicles. I'm not familiar with the laws regarding cars, but motorcycles over 500cc are nearly impossible to get in japan. They actually have whole classes of small cc motors that don't even get imported to speed hungry americans.