# News Taxes: Where your money goes

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1. Apr 15, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
http://www.thirdway.org/data/product/file/129/Third_Way_-_What_You_Paid_For_Memo.pdf [Broken]

I thought this was particularly interesting as it breaks down the US budget in terms of the dollar per item per household. It is often quite striking when one compares the amount spent on various programs - such as renewable energy technologies as compared to the Iraq war, which alone merits discussion IMO. When one can sit back and view the big picture, the logic or lack thereof regarding certain policies or practices often becomes apparent.

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2. Apr 15, 2008

### drankin

That is interesting! Thanks for the link.

3. Apr 15, 2008

### BobG

I'm paying 18 cents a year for George Bush and his White House staff?

Why do I feel like I'm still not getting my money's worth?

4. Apr 16, 2008

### jaap de vries

I just did my taxes and compared to Holland I hardly pay any taxes anymore. Anybody ever want to complain about their taxes here is the US just me know and I will calculate how much you would have paid in Holland, and that is not including the 19% sales tax!?

5. Apr 16, 2008

### drankin

I agree, we have it pretty good. But, it would be even better if those dimes were handled more efficiently.

6. Apr 17, 2008

### Zantra

Amen Bob- I know i'll be looking for an extra 12 cents back on my refund this year

and $2600 to pay into SS, which I'll most likely never see a dime of. nice:yuck: 7. Apr 17, 2008 ### Astronuc ### Staff: Mentor Most of us do have it pretty good. Absolutely. The US government needs to get away from deficit spending and that ridiculous supplemental spending. 8. Apr 17, 2008 ### kev1829 Did you ever complain about the average work week being under 30 hours or getting 25 days of vacation per year? My experience with residents of Europe is that due to the high tax rates most people find ways to keep significant portions of their incomes un-reported. 9. Apr 21, 2008 ### loseyourname Staff Emeritus Thanks for posting that. I've actually been looking at all of the federal agency budgets submitted to Congress for the last few weeks and I've been wanting to find something like this that breaks down exactly where the money goes. It's hard to find because so many programs are paid for by earmarked consumption taxes, excise taxes, corporate taxes, and such, so it's hard to know exactly where income and FICA taxes specifically are going. 10. Apr 22, 2008 ### Mental Gridlock If you live and work in the United States, your federal tax dollars go to a variety of important US government agendas, including: -worldwide corporate militaristic hegemony overseas, including the continuously increasing expenditure for the purchase of munitions used for the destruction of civilians and infrastructure in the middle east[1], the construction of US fortressess including the most elaborate US embassy in the world that is in Iraq, a highly fortified castle that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build and will cost a lot more to operate[2] -$300,000,000.00 annually to be spent between the years 2008 and 2015 for a governmental

national electronic ID card program[3]

-construction of an elaborate detention camp network on US soil to be used for "new

programs" to ensure "homeland security".[4] (please note that many of these detention

centers are already built, and could be filled with political prisoners who have

committed no crime other than exercizing their first ammendment rights to speak out against

the impending police state)[5]

-the bribery of the mainstream media to spin the truth about US corporate military

campaigns into a positive light to keep the American people ignorant of the government's

real agenda[6] (aka propaganda)

-domestic spying programs that can be used to unconstitutionally monitor US citizens [7]

-computerized touchscreen "election" polling machines which can be programmed to yield any

election result the government wants.[8]

-the training of US military personnell for domestic civilian law enforcement and riot

control (martial law)[9] for their preparedness in carrying out and enforcing martial law

upon the declaration of a national emergency[10] and quelling any civilian resistance[11]

to the new police state.

Dictator Bush isn't just consolidating power to rape the middle east and incarcerate its

own citizens for being political dissidents and speaking out, but he's using your hard

earned taxpayer dollars to do it.

I would spend less time quibbling about which liar we like the best for the 2008 elections,

and more time worrying about what we are going to do when the 2008 elections are called off

by dictator Bush due to some kind of national emergency while he clings to dictatorial

power.

Also a little more time studying Hitler's rise to power, including how he consolidated

power by transorming what was a democracy into a dictatorship under his executive control,

using a fake threat to German "homeland security" i.e. the Reichsteig fire, his invasion of

Poland for "national security" reasons, his incarceration and suppression of political

dissidents, and his control of the media in order to keep his people subsurvient to his

agenda.[12] Because history repeats, and we must not repeat the mistakes of the past. We should have learned from this.

So to respond to the thread topic, just remember that many of your hard earned taxpayer

dollars that you give the government is going right to executive dictatorial command to

fuel its militaristic imperialism.

[1]

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080202_Bush_seeks_rise_in_weapons_spending.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-10-cluster-bomb-cover_x.htm

http://www.doctorsforiraq.org/FALLUJA_ONE_YEAR_ON.pdf

[2]
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article2364255.ece

[3]
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1117:

[4]

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17936

[5]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040201568_pf.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/nyregion/17police.html

[6]
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?

[7]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/patriotact/

[8]

[9]

[10]
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL083105lawless.1242410b.html

[11]
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/26/dc.protests/index.html

[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_rise_to_power

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11. Apr 22, 2008

### drankin

If you sincerely believe that the US is becoming a tyrannic government, all the more reason to fight to maintain your 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. One of the chief purposes of which is to have the ability to prevent this kind of thing getting out of control of "the people". I'm not convinced of a dark government conspiracy to rule the world but I do see us slipping into a system of excessive government regulation of our lives.

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12. Apr 22, 2008

### Poop-Loops

Yeah, I'm sure your 9-mil pee shooter will do a lot of good when a tank comes rolling up to your front door.

13. Apr 22, 2008

### drankin

Hmm, well if we take a lesson from the Al Queda folks, I don't think tanks would be a problem for long. If it came down to it, "the people" could take the government back. As is shown, our military can hardly take one city.

I don't own a 9mm. But even so, it's hardly a pee shooter.

14. Apr 22, 2008

### mgb_phys

At least you can still keeping your presentation tools of mass destruction
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2214806/australian-state-set-ban-laser [Broken]

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15. Apr 24, 2008

### Mental Gridlock

Many German citizens, after Hitler had invaded and conquered Poland for "security" reasons, were not yet convinced of any German plans for "world domination" either.

The USA has already conquered two countries and is posturing to conquer a third. How many countries do they need to invade before you are convinced of this conspiracy for world domination?

About the second ammendment, this is a very important ammendment among all the others, but I will stop short of discussing it any further as I never would intend to encourage anyone to acquire arms for fear of their government, or otherwise promote any kind of "armed" resistance, as the call for any kind of violence is strictly against the physics forum rules.

But really back to the topic at hand, I was trying to emphasize the fact that our tax dollars do indeed go towards supporting the police state and United States world domination down the barrel of a gun at the expense of thousands of innocent lives.

Each and every American worker is helping to finance the destruction of innocent people and civilian infrastructure around the world, just as all those Japanese workers in Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked to fuel the Japanese war machine. And those people apparently had to be nuked, or at least claims that terrorist Truman and all of his supporters who applaud the two single biggest terrorist attacks in the history of civilization.

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16. Apr 24, 2008

### Ivan Seeking

Staff Emeritus
Aside from the fact that conspiracy theories are not allowed here... we can't afford world domination. But we were attacked, as you may recall, and what you have seen is just a taste of what may come if these lunatic terrorists manage any big hits on the US. The actions of the Bush administration were possible because of fear.

But again, conspiracy theories are not allowed.

17. Apr 24, 2008

### Mental Gridlock

So the United States invading Iraq and Afghanistan and controlling land in those places is a "conspiracy theory"? I could have sworn that this happened. Maybe it was all just a dream.

18. Apr 24, 2008

### Gokul43201

Staff Emeritus
No, but the claim about "world domination is. To quote that specific claim:
When you theorize about a conspiracy, you have what we call a 'conspiracy theory'.

19. Apr 24, 2008

### Cyrus

.............seriously man................... ????........

20. Apr 24, 2008

### Mental Gridlock

Indeed. 100% agreed. And the actions of Hitler for his consolidation of power were possible because of fear as well. Remember that.