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Telepathic Guy

  1. Jul 30, 2010 #1
    Last night on The Tonight Show, there was a guy by the name of Lior Suchard who did several strange things. He claims to have telepathic powers, which he "Demonstrates". I don't know how I would explain how he guessed the name of that song and how he knew the girls name was Katy, what do you guys think?

    http://www.liorsuchard.com/suchard_en.html [Broken]

    http://www.zimbio.com/watch/y-pblp9qSLF/Zac+Efron+s+First+Love/The+Tonight+Show+with+Jay+Leno [Broken]

    http://www.zimbio.com/watch/-KB1sUdOynQ/Mentalist+Lior+Suchard+Part+2/The+Tonight+Show+with+Jay+Leno [Broken]
     
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  3. Aug 20, 2010 #2
    There is another one that you can search: Derren Brown
     
  4. Aug 21, 2010 #3

    Chronos

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    Allow me to test this by supplying the winning powerball numbers for next week.
     
  5. Aug 24, 2010 #4
    Barring collusion and good acting on the part of Jay, Zac, and the music leader, it appears genuine.
     
  6. Sep 9, 2010 #5

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    Genuine what?

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    James Randi is not sure if serious.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2010 #6
    I said it appears genuine. Stage magicians make things appear one way all the time, when in fact they're doing something different altogether, a fact James Randi knows well.
     
  8. Sep 10, 2010 #7

    Chronos

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    I vote for Randi, he is no idiot and has been debunking this kind of crap for decades. He has a standing bet of a miilion bucks that no one can demonstrate paranormal 'powers' to his satisfaction. So where are the takers? The best the failed applicants can muster is - he is not fair. Haha. I'm still waiting on my missing lottery ticket winners. I even promised to spend any such ill gotten gains on humanitarian causes. Bull.
     
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  9. Sep 10, 2010 #8

    FlexGunship

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    Hah, sorry. Well, good magicians always appear genuine.
     
  10. Sep 14, 2010 #9
    It's easy to shout "fake fake" but you gotta give these guys some credit. Of course they're fake, but there is still a lot of skill in making it look so real. I mean, you and I can't do any "magic" other than to trick a 5 year old.
     
  11. Sep 14, 2010 #10
    As everything in science, without the correct test equipment and without knowing what to look for is a difficult task. What if Randi doesn´t use the correct equipment. It's like searching for light with a sound detector.
     
  12. Sep 14, 2010 #11

    FlexGunship

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    Maybe. You should try for his prize. Randi's one of the few guys that has earned my respect enough that I (possibly to my own peril) trust him almost blindly. I disagree with him sometimes, but if he says "bunk" I say "how high."
     
  13. Sep 14, 2010 #12

    Ivan Seeking

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    I still haven't seen how his candidates are selected. How many people apply but are rejected by Randi?
     
  14. Sep 14, 2010 #13

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    He used to personally interview each candidate but eventually there became too many so he delegated to a small team. Finally, even the small team wasn't enough (plus it got expensive), so now he requests that claims be verified independently before interviewing anyone.

    During the preliminary interview, the claimant must demonstrate his/her claim without any controls or restrictions. Randi or his delegate reserve the right to request a second performance and will usually video tape it from a few angles.

    Then, Randi and his team come up with a set of guidelines which are reviewed independently. The formal test itself is carried out with strict controls and neither Randi nor his team are allowed to be present. A mutually agreed upon party carries out the test. If any of the controls are violated the test is thrown out and performed again later.

    YouTube has a few videos under the tag of "JREF" and you can see some of the informal tests. Only a few people have ever made it to the formal test and none have passed.

    The application has the actual rules (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html).

    The FAQ page answers a few gray areas (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html [Broken]).

    He also keep a list of all of the applicants (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html).

    EDIT: To directly address your question. None are rejected. He accepts all applicants, its just that most of them don't make it very far into the test process.
     
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  15. Sep 14, 2010 #14

    Ivan Seeking

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    And his work is published in what journal?
     
  16. Sep 15, 2010 #15

    FlexGunship

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    You don't have to be published to be investigated by Randi. If he only investigated claimants who were published in peer-reviewed journals he'd probably never test anyone!
     
  17. Sep 15, 2010 #16

    FlexGunship

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    Oh, wait, do you mean the telepathic guy? Or Randi?

    Randi's work has been featured in peer-reviewed publications, but I'm not really sure what journal you get published in for debunking weird claims. In fact, I don't think he does research of any kind that could be published. It's a bit like asking a successful firefighter in which journals he's been published; it's not really a well thought-out question.
     
  18. Sep 15, 2010 #17

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    Telepathy wouldn't allow you to predict winning lottery numbers unless you were in the presence of someone else that knew what they would be. Telepathy is mind-reading, not predicting the outcome of random processes.
     
  19. Sep 15, 2010 #18

    FlexGunship

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    I think Chronos was simply expressing disbelief in a sarcastic or humorous manner; I don't think he was trying to contribute to the discussion.
     
  20. Sep 15, 2010 #19

    loseyourname

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    Yeah, I figured. It's just a pet peeve of mine that every time someone claims to be telepathic, someone will respond asking for lottery numbers. Telepathy seems far more plausible to me than the ability to see the future. Thought at least creates signals of some sort, whether they be electricity in the brain, chemical signals transmitted through the air, or even just body language cues. The future hasn't happened yet.
     
  21. Sep 15, 2010 #20

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    Eh, should be just as easy to test. Use a deck of 200 Zener cards. Have the guy (or girl!) your testing tell you which card came up. The only difference in the test for psychics and telepaths is how soon they answer: before you look at the card, or after.
     
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