Temperature lift of a heat pump

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the temperature lift capabilities of heat pumps, specifically addressing the design considerations for delta T (temperature difference) in various heating systems. Participants explore the implications of delta T on efficiency and performance in both heat pump and boiler systems.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that heat pump systems should be designed for a delta T of about 10C, questioning the correctness of this guideline.
  • Another participant counters that water-based heat exchangers typically operate with delta Ts of 10-14F, suggesting that a 20C delta T is unusually high for air-based systems.
  • A participant expresses that their experience with heating systems using boilers involves a delta T of 20C, but notes that heat pumps are advised to use a lower delta T of 10C, seeking clarification on this difference.
  • It is mentioned that refrigeration cycles require specific operating temperatures for efficiency, and that significant temperature variations can drastically affect heat pump performance.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and efficiency of boiler systems designed for higher temperature rises, with references to potential risks of overheating and insufficient water flow.
  • Discussion includes the operational characteristics of gas furnaces, which can handle higher delta Ts compared to heat pumps, indicating a difference in design and operational tolerances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate delta T for heat pumps versus other heating systems, indicating that there is no consensus on the optimal design parameters. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these temperature differences on efficiency and safety.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various types of heating systems and their operational characteristics, highlighting that assumptions about temperature differences may depend on specific applications and system designs. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and practices without a definitive resolution.

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I've always been told that systems that involve a heat pump need to be designed for a delta T of about 10C, not the more usual 20C, apparently because the pump can't lift the temperature more than this. Is this correct, and why is this so?
 
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What is "usual"? Water-based heat exchangers (ie, in chillers, water source heat pumps, cooling towers, etc) are typically designed for 10-14F delta-t's. Even for airside heat exchangers of the cooling variety (dx or chilled water air conditioning coils) 20C is a huge delta-T for air for an HVAC application: 20 F is more typical.

The approach temperature would be the reason for all of that and for a heat pump in particular, the efficiency is highly dependent on the difference between the hot and cold sides.
 
"Usual" is my opinion of a system that uses boilers, gas, or whatever for heating. Here I use a delta T of 20C. But, as soon as a heat pump is to take care of it all, I'm always told it must be designed with a lower delta T, i.e. 10C. I was just wondering why this is.
 
Some devices are more sensitive to temperature variations than others: whether you send 90 C water or 80 C water to a radiator, the difference in performance will be small - maybe 10%. But if you send 0 C water instead of 20 C water to a heat pump (in heating mode), you will utterly destroy your efficiency. Refrigeration cycles require very specific operating temperatures to run efficiently - fuel-fired heating systems are a completely different animal. Many heat pumps list performance at different temperatures - have a look at how fast the output changes with it.

Still, it surprises me that you would design a boiler plant for a 20 C temperature rise. They are typically rated for much less for safety reasons: I've seen boilers melt their burners due to insufficient water flow and you also don't want to accidentally boil the water.

A gas furnace, on the other hand (if that's what you are talking about) is designed to operate at an extremely high temperature (stainless steel burner), so it can handle a very wide range of temperatures: you might see a 40 C delta-T for the air going through a gas furnace. As long as you keep the output temp below about 60 C (so you don't burn anyone), you can do just about whatever you want with it.
 

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